All Blacks 2024
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
The 2 late yellows smack of panic, trying too hard and lack of leadership.
I'm hoping guys like Sititi, Vaai and Roigard can bring ice cold nerves at the pointy end of the game.
Currently leadership is passive and people are panicking.I think we need to stop talking this guy up until he, you know, actually makes the field again in a Black jersey ?
( yeah yeah, I remember the try against the Boks, what was the score in that game again ? )
The last thing we need is another Charlie Ngatai.
I could possibly agree if Ngatai had performed for the ABs in the same manner as Roigard. You're well off with your comparison.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
The 2 late yellows smack of panic, trying too hard and lack of leadership.
I'm hoping guys like Sititi, Vaai and Roigard can bring ice cold nerves at the pointy end of the game.
Currently leadership is passive and people are panicking.I think we need to stop talking this guy up until he, you know, actually makes the field again in a Black jersey ?
( yeah yeah, I remember the try against the Boks, what was the score in that game again ? )
The last thing we need is another Charlie Ngatai.
I could possibly agree if Ngatai had performed for the ABs in the same manner as Roigard. You're well off with your comparison.
I don't think it is overreaching to suggest that if Cam had played in the final we might have won out in Paris. He tore it up at RWC23
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At the end of the day, a team of talented individuals that is regularly going from the sublime to the absurd is a symptom of a poorly coached team. It reminds me of the Chiefs under Foster, or the Hurricanes of old who coined the marketing phrase "expect the unexpected " because nobody knew what fucking version of the Canes was going to show up. That's where we are at with the ABs right now.
I don't know what the story was with Schmidt exactly but NZR should have been moving mountains to get him to take the mantle. His international experience and success would have been invaluable to this group of players. I don't doubt Razor is trying hard, but he's clearly learning on the job right now.
We are in for more of the same until either Razor is replaced, or he hopefully figures out what is needed to beat the big boys in test footy. The former is looking the most likely right now, but time will tell.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
The 2 late yellows smack of panic, trying too hard and lack of leadership.
I'm hoping guys like Sititi, Vaai and Roigard can bring ice cold nerves at the pointy end of the game.
Currently leadership is passive and people are panicking.I think we need to stop talking this guy up until he, you know, actually makes the field again in a Black jersey ?
The last thing we need is another Charlie Ngatai.
Speaking of, Roigard will join the All Blacks this week as they prepare for the second Bled.
It's great that Ratima is playing so well because when Roigard does eventually come back he can ease back through minutes from the bench.
There he is
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
The 2 late yellows smack of panic, trying too hard and lack of leadership.
I'm hoping guys like Sititi, Vaai and Roigard can bring ice cold nerves at the pointy end of the game.
Currently leadership is passive and people are panicking.I think we need to stop talking this guy up until he, you know, actually makes the field again in a Black jersey ?
The last thing we need is another Charlie Ngatai.
Speaking of, Roigard will join the All Blacks this week as they prepare for the second Bled.
It's great that Ratima is playing so well because when Roigard does eventually come back he can ease back through minutes from the bench.
There he is
Mate, you’re a bit slow.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
The 2 late yellows smack of panic, trying too hard and lack of leadership.
I'm hoping guys like Sititi, Vaai and Roigard can bring ice cold nerves at the pointy end of the game.
Currently leadership is passive and people are panicking.I think we need to stop talking this guy up until he, you know, actually makes the field again in a Black jersey ?
The last thing we need is another Charlie Ngatai.
Speaking of, Roigard will join the All Blacks this week as they prepare for the second Bled.
It's great that Ratima is playing so well because when Roigard does eventually come back he can ease back through minutes from the bench.
There he is
Mate, you’re a bit slow.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
The 2 late yellows smack of panic, trying too hard and lack of leadership.
I'm hoping guys like Sititi, Vaai and Roigard can bring ice cold nerves at the pointy end of the game.
Currently leadership is passive and people are panicking.I think we need to stop talking this guy up until he, you know, actually makes the field again in a Black jersey ?
The last thing we need is another Charlie Ngatai.
Speaking of, Roigard will join the All Blacks this week as they prepare for the second Bled.
It's great that Ratima is playing so well because when Roigard does eventually come back he can ease back through minutes from the bench.
There he is
Mate, you’re a bit slow.
I was making a posh latte and watching KW advance too far down the pitch on sky.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
The 2 late yellows smack of panic, trying too hard and lack of leadership.
I'm hoping guys like Sititi, Vaai and Roigard can bring ice cold nerves at the pointy end of the game.
Currently leadership is passive and people are panicking.I think we need to stop talking this guy up until he, you know, actually makes the field again in a Black jersey ?
( yeah yeah, I remember the try against the Boks, what was the score in that game again ? )
The last thing we need is another Charlie Ngatai.
I could possibly agree if Ngatai had performed for the ABs in the same manner as Roigard. You're well off with your comparison.
Good point.
Ngatai is Rugby Jesus. Roigard is merely a very good player.
I appreciate the feedback
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@His-Bobness as you’ve pointed out - they’re building handy leads against what are the best teams in the world, which is surely a positive. So rather than having a go at Razor because you don’t like his style or what he stands for, what do you think are the reasons they’re falling away later in games? The coaching team control tactics and when the bench is introduced etc, but Razor’s not actually out there playing the game.
He picked the coaches and then the players, but it’s not his fault?
No, my question was… if were able to run up points seemingly at will against the world’s best teams at the start of games (objectively a good thing, right?)… what factors are causing such a contrasting and catastrophic fall off in in performance in the final quarter, in particular?
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@His-Bobness as you’ve pointed out - they’re building handy leads against what are the best teams in the world, which is surely a positive. So rather than having a go at Razor because you don’t like his style or what he stands for, what do you think are the reasons they’re falling away later in games? The coaching team control tactics and when the bench is introduced etc, but Razor’s not actually out there playing the game.
He picked the coaches and then the players, but it’s not his fault?
No, my question was… if were able to run up points seemingly at will against the world’s best teams at the start of games (objectively a good thing, right?)… what factors are causing such a contrasting and catastrophic fall off in in performance in the final quarter, in particular?
There is a time to attack, there is a time to play the territory game and use scoreboard pressure to bury the opposition. We can play high percentage rugby right now, and our defence is soft in the middle
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@His-Bobness as you’ve pointed out - they’re building handy leads against what are the best teams in the world, which is surely a positive. So rather than having a go at Razor because you don’t like his style or what he stands for, what do you think are the reasons they’re falling away later in games? The coaching team control tactics and when the bench is introduced etc, but Razor’s not actually out there playing the game.
He picked the coaches and then the players, but it’s not his fault?
No, my question was… if we’re able to run up points seemingly at will against the world’s best teams at the start of games (objectively a good thing, right?)… what factors are causing such a contrasting and catastrophic fall off in in performance in the final quarter, in particular?
Teams adjust at half time, even better teams can adjust on the fly. This seasons AB’s for example, it seems we can not adjust around the 50th/60th min when our opponents clearly have the upper hand on us due to a change in tactics/systems at half time. It speaks to our leadership as well as our coaching. Both are at play here. It starts up top and coaching needs to be better, I’m sure if the coaches were asked they would agree with that(even if they didn’t, they know it’s true).
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I don't know what the story was with Schmidt exactly but NZR should have been moving mountains to get him to take the mantle. His international experience and success would have been invaluable to this group of players. I don't doubt Razor is trying hard, but he's clearly learning on the job right now.
The same Schmidt who has just lost his last two games… including a record loss. He’s no doubt a fine coach, but I don’t think he’s the messiah either (though I agree it’s possible Robertson is just a very naughty boy).
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@His-Bobness as you’ve pointed out - they’re building handy leads against what are the best teams in the world, which is surely a positive. So rather than having a go at Razor because you don’t like his style or what he stands for, what do you think are the reasons they’re falling away later in games? The coaching team control tactics and when the bench is introduced etc, but Razor’s not actually out there playing the game.
He picked the coaches and then the players, but it’s not his fault?
No, my question was… if we’re able to run up points seemingly at will against the world’s best teams at the start of games (objectively a good thing, right?)… what factors are causing such a contrasting and catastrophic fall off in in performance in the final quarter, in particular?
Teams adjust at half time, even better teams can adjust on the fly. This seasons AB’s for example, it seems we can not adjust around the 50th/60th min when our opponents clearly have the upper hand on us due to a change in tactics/systems at half time. It speaks to our leadership as well as our coaching. Both are at play here. It starts up top and coaching needs to be better, I’m sure if the coaches were asked they would agree with that(even if they didn’t, they know it’s true).
So it’s coaching and leadership? And the two yellow cards we got, for example, are a direct result of both of those factors?
FWIW I’m not trying to split hairs here. I’m genuinely trying to break down where we are failing, the root of which seems to be endemic.
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I think there's quite a lot of overreacting going on at the moment.
The last 20-minute thing isn't ideal but I suspect it's less of a lack of mental fortitude and more of a 'monkey on the back'. It'll come right in one match and then likely not be an issue again.
Some of the helter-skelter stuff was a product of the match. The All Blacks were considerably tighter against South Africa but were also still able to turn it on at times. I'd say the biggest criticism at the moment is, bar the game against Fiji, they're currently largely playing to the level of their opposition (which is something the Springboks did for a number of years). I think things are trending in the right direction for NZ, their attack is looking better and better with each game and that's arguably the hardest thing to get right (though not necessarily the most important). The defence is certainly a cause for concern, mind you, but hopefully that's a strategic shift that's being worked on.
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@His-Bobness as you’ve pointed out - they’re building handy leads against what are the best teams in the world, which is surely a positive. So rather than having a go at Razor because you don’t like his style or what he stands for, what do you think are the reasons they’re falling away later in games? The coaching team control tactics and when the bench is introduced etc, but Razor’s not actually out there playing the game.
He picked the coaches and then the players, but it’s not his fault?
No, my question was… if we’re able to run up points seemingly at will against the world’s best teams at the start of games (objectively a good thing, right?)… what factors are causing such a contrasting and catastrophic fall off in in performance in the final quarter, in particular?
Teams adjust at half time, even better teams can adjust on the fly. This seasons AB’s for example, it seems we can not adjust around the 50th/60th min when our opponents clearly have the upper hand on us due to a change in tactics/systems at half time. It speaks to our leadership as well as our coaching. Both are at play here. It starts up top and coaching needs to be better, I’m sure if the coaches were asked they would agree with that(even if they didn’t, they know it’s true).
So it’s coaching and leadership? And the two yellow cards we got, for example, are a direct result of both of those factors?
FWIW I’m not trying to split hairs here. I’m genuinely trying to break down where we are failing, the root of which seems to be endemic.
You asked what factors are causing such a contrasting and catastrophic fall off in performance in the final quarter in particular. I believe what I stated above are 2 of the main factors. It’s a learning curve for the coaches and the team, I believe we will improve but I'm
not going to pretend that it’s good enough because it isn’t. EOYT is our true time to judge where this coaching staff and team is at. Here’s hoping we see solid improvement. -
Playing stock wise I'm not that disheartened.
Our tight 5 is pretty handy. Barrett is probably the only one down on form, but he hasn't been bad, and Aumua has struggled. But our prop rotation is good, Vaa'i has emerged, Darry looks serviceable (but not in 10 minute bursts)
Loosies are a concern. Sititi played well again, but I've seen too many guys go well in a 6 shirt against Australia and then never go on with it to be too excited. Savea is struggling but he's a proven performer who is down on form and looking for his role in this set up. Cane was bloody good last game and bloody average this week. Dalton is obviously not rated. Blackadder and Jacobson are serviceable and won't lose us games. Not world beating but not bad (ok personally I'm disappointed but this is the one area I want us to be great)
Ratima looks a find at 9
DMac is copping a heap of shit but he did so much right yesterday, but he'll also do 2-3 things really wrong every game. I will say he is touching the ball a LOT in this pattern.
JB and Rieko is not a bad midfield. ALB is usually significantly better than he was
Jordan continues to be a danger with the ball, and Clark has really emerged this year as a very dangerous player.
It's not all amazing, but it's pretty fucking good.
I do have serious issues with the coaching, as the same shit happening over and over again is a symptom of the team set up.
Perhaps 2024 is thr building block year and we are on the path to something new and different, and there are growing pains to endure?
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@His-Bobness as you’ve pointed out - they’re building handy leads against what are the best teams in the world, which is surely a positive. So rather than having a go at Razor because you don’t like his style or what he stands for, what do you think are the reasons they’re falling away later in games? The coaching team control tactics and when the bench is introduced etc, but Razor’s not actually out there playing the game.
He picked the coaches and then the players, but it’s not his fault?
No, my question was… if were able to run up points seemingly at will against the world’s best teams at the start of games (objectively a good thing, right?)… what factors are causing such a contrasting and catastrophic fall off in in performance in the final quarter, in particular?
The coach's selection and use of the bench?
I'm being slightly facetious, but the buck stops with him and we're eight games into the season and these issues aren't being resolved.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
DMac is copping a heap of shit but he did so much right yesterday, but he'll also do 2-3 things really wrong every game. I will say he is touching the ball a LOT in this pattern.
Yeah exactly my take as well - he cops a lot of flack for less than a handful of errors probably per game and I wouldn't be surprised if he had more involvements than everyone else outside him combined. How many errors do they make and still get a pass?
