All Blacks 2024
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@Tim It's an interesting thought eh. Most people in NZ think that the bench is for a mix of injury cover and ball runners. Because ball runners have 'ímpact', but to me it is a bit more complex than that and requires some thought about the opposition.
We got good mileage against England by having a dominant scrum once the reserves came on. Scrum penalties are huge on relieving defensive pressure and creating attacking pressure, so if you have reserves who are significantly better than the oppositions front row reserves, then that can be an effective impact option.
Rassie has been proven right time and again that forwards get more tired than backs - that's hardly rocket science - but we can't seem to figure it out despite his example.
The 1st SA game showed that you need players on the field at the end of the game who can deal with pressure. The 2nd SA game showed that experience does not equal 'able to deal with pressure'.
Traditional NZ thinking has a guy like Aumua as a great impact sub. He may be in future, but until his lineout throwing is reliable coming on late under pressure, he's a liability despite being an amazing player.
Defences do get sloppier, so ball runners can be a good option. Rucks get messier, so a turnover merchant would get more opportunities.
I just don't think we give it enough thought at all.May I present Exhibit A m'lord
Malcolm Marx
Great scrummager, reliable throwing in, great at the breakdown, fast and mobile support playerHave to hand it to Rassie, he has been fine tuning this approach for 5 years and we are just now thinking how we can combat it.
Some of the braindead shit that has come out of the AB camp over the past few years has pissed me off. You never know how much to believe it of course, but things like:
'we don't worry about the bomb squad tactics, we just worry about our own game', and re the 50-22 rule change: 'we haven't really looked at that, rugby is a simple game and we're focusing on our basics'. -
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Maybe Ryan is worse than Mains then.
How can there be zero starting Blues players in the forwards who had the most dominant pack in Super Rugby?
Papalii and Tuipulotu were starting until injury... and as an extension, the tight five has been perfectly fine. Samapeni Finau, Shannon Frizell, heck even Sotutu and Ioane in the past have shown that Super Rugby form does not always equate to ABs form - very different style of rugby.
If you think Ofa, Riccitelli, Renata, etc. are making a difference to the ABs, you're either an idiot or a Blues fan.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
I post this not as a criticism of where we are at now, but as a reminder of how good we were through that era. What a team
That team would be one of the top 3 squads in AB history. Totally stacked, totally rooted our expectations
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@voodoo yep and I think when you look at that 1st 5 crisis thread, if you think we had Smith-DC-Nonu-Smith, 4 greats of our game together alot of the time, any that follow will always be poorer...I mean all 4 could have had a slightly off day and still as good as our current crops good day.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@voodoo yep and I think when you look at that 1st 5 crisis thread, if you think we had Smith-DC-Nonu-Smith, 4 greats of our game together alot of the time, any that follow will always be poorer...I mean all 4 could have had a slightly off day and still as good as our current crops good day.
One of them could have stayed in the dressing room and the other 3 still be as good as the current lot...
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I wonder what Umaga, McDonald, Mauger, Dermody, Plumtree, might have done had they been lucky enough to have had Whitelock, Barrett, Taylor and Mo'unga at Super Rugby level...
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
I post this not as a criticism of where we are at now, but as a reminder of how good we were through that era. What a team
I remember our only complaint it was a bit boring around team naming , it picked itself
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Most people in NZ think that the bench is for a mix of injury cover and ball runners. Because ball runners have 'ímpact'
A very basic, and fundamental question he asked was: why couldn't the reserves come on before half time? Maybe you get 35 good minutes out of a prop? Why not do it in reverse?
I guess most people would say well what do you do if there's an injury just after half-time then?""
To which Rassie says Í'll just bring the other guys back on, nobody will even do anything if I just start running a rotating subs bench like it's basketballThey have been taking the piss with this carry on for years.
One of the locks in the second test came on and off 4 times if I recall correctly?
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
I post this not as a criticism of where we are at now, but as a reminder of how good we were through that era. What a team
I remember our only complaint it was a bit boring around team naming , it picked itself
And one of those losses was when the whole team had a dose of the trots in Twickenham.
They were all on the jacks for the week.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan Alongside 96-97, 87-89, 65-69?
I was thinking of the Incomparables, I forgot about the post '87 team who were a total juggernaut. I have no opinion on the 60s team as it was before my time, but if that was the Needle's team I know they never lost? And probably the Invincibles would complete the list
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October 5 is the planned return for Roigard. He will link up with the ABs next week.
There is a video interview in the article.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
October 5 is the planned return for Roigard. He will link up with the ABs next week.
There is a video interview in the article.
If he was on the bench for the RWC final, with all the cards and stuff that happened, we would've won. Bringing on Christie with 15 to go was pointless. Brining on Roigard would've changed out play. Roigard is a game changing player whom I can't wait to be back in black
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Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith who's pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith who's pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
Hope he's the answer you're all looking for
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith who's pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
Hope he's the answer you're all looking for
His play reminds me of Joost/FDP.
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The tight five has not been fine. They have zero ability to get over the advantage line in phase play as a unit.
That's one of the reasons why we've struggled at restarts.
All of the loose forward you mentioned have shown talent at test level. They just haven't been developed properly because it's endless chopping and changing instead of picking 1 guy and sticking with him. They haven't been allowed to grow with set backs. Nonu and Kaino had set backs.
We've already had 4 guys start at 6 this year alone.
Just pick the best long term prospect and give them a run like Mckenzie has been given.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith whose pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
He certainly has potential to add quality to our play and was on fire in super rugby.
But with such a serious injury, I think most are just hoping he can get some rugby in this year.
