Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
That ref is fucking hopeless, but he's no part of the reason for the loss. He was far better than last time we had him (Twickenham?) and a million times better than in whichever game it was at the WC where he made a fucking disgrace of himself.
There was plenty of hopeless on the field, the ref wasn’t part of that party
I thought the ref was good, particularly when I took my bias hat off.
He was good enough to allow for a fair fight. That's all we can ask for
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@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
One big thing we've learned is that if Will Jordan plays Test Rugby it's on the Wing. He's an emergency Fullback at best at Test level. Surely we can all agree on that?
I can agree on that if we can agree the same on BB. Except for the can play on the wing bit.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fuck the backs
A complete lack of penetration out wide - poor passing, positioning and shit running angles. One of the least effective attacking AB backline performances I've seen.
At least Ratima has tested the "all we need is quick ball to our 10 to slice them apart" hypothesis to destruction.
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@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I was telling my wife that we could lose with 2 minutes to go
Mrs Meldrew has now starting moving to the other room when I'm watching the ABs
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So have we all come to terms with:
Razor is the most overrated coach in history
Fozzie (despite not being good) was no where near as shit as people thought
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fuck the backs
A complete lack of penetration out wide - poor passing, positioning and shit running angles. One of the least effective attacking AB backline performances I've seen.
At least Ratima has tested the "all we need is quick ball to our 10 to slice them apart" hypothesis to destruction.
Yeah, after 4 tries in 60 minutes at Ellis Park, we didn’t score yesterday or really have moments when I thought we were going to.
In parts we looked good and our best period was the 2nd quarter of the match but we didn’t really do much in the 2nd half.
The back 3 was poor. Caleb Clarke would have made a big difference and Jordan should stay right wing for now until he is back to somewhere near his best. Give RL a shot.
Players like Sititi, Williams, Ratima, Darry shows that we can give our inexperienced players a chance so it’s time to let TJP, BB enjoy retirement
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@Yeahtheboys said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
So have we all come to terms with:
Razor is the most overrated coach in history
Fozzie (despite not being good) was no where near as shit as people thought
Jury is still out of Robertson, but I can't see him coming back from a loss in Sydney.
Ian Foster is a very decent man, but he often seemed out of his depth as AB coach. His sides put in some really lacklustre performances, but he was able to make them look at their best for the more important matches. That might have been because some of the older players like Whitelock, Retallick and Aaron Smith had certain standards drummed into them as part of the culture of the All Black teams they played for early their international careers. The odd performance based on intense effort and sharp execution didn't hide the lack of evolution or innovation.
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@sparky razor is the greatest coach in history before he even put coached a game for the ABs according to most
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fuck the backs
A complete lack of penetration out wide - poor passing, positioning and shit running angles. One of the least effective attacking AB backline performances I've seen.
At least Ratima has tested the "all we need is quick ball to our 10 to slice them apart" hypothesis to destruction.
Said it more than once
Not lying deep enough
Sitting a metre or two further back now that you have the scrum half to pass the ball will give both DMac and JB the time to kick longer (neither of them have quick leg speed when they punt)
It will also create more doubt in the defenders because it will give DMac the time to read what's in front of him and fix the defences
Gives JB the chance to come up to battering ram speed
Putting ALB in at first five allows you to line up flatter. He's quicker off the mark forwards as well as laterally
Gives your back row the time to get to the breakdown and secure quick ruck ball. None of them are lightning
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@Yeahtheboys His record at Crusaders spoke for itself.
But we appointed a coach who was green at preparing sides for the arm wrestle that is modern Test Rugby. He's been schooled by Razzie two weeks in row. If the ABs are to beat South Africa (or Ireland or France) any time soon they will need to be a lot more savvy.
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What I want to know is - what changed in the second half? Thought we were ok in the first half, took the fight to them, but seemed to go back in our shells in the second half.
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fuck the backs
A complete lack of penetration out wide - poor passing, positioning and shit running angles. One of the least effective attacking AB backline performances I've seen.
At least Ratima has tested the "all we need is quick ball to our 10 to slice them apart" hypothesis to destruction.
Said it more than once
Not lying deep enough
Sitting a metre or two further back now that you have the scrum half to pass the ball will give both DMac and JB the time to kick longer (neither of them have quick leg speed when they punt)
It will also create more doubt in the defenders because it will give DMac the time to read what's in front of him and fix the defences
Gives JB the chance to come up to battering ram speed
Putting ALB in at first five allows you to line up flatter. He's quicker off the mark forwards as well as laterally
Gives your back row the time to get to the breakdown and secure quick ruck ball. None of them are lightning
How about putting in a 10 who excels in creating space for his outsides?
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I thought tight 5 did enough. Vaii one of the best across two tests and I think we have depth at prop and lock. Hooker still need a solid one two punch. Unfortunately out of Barrett’s and DMac we still do not have a reliable pressure kicker. Let’s give up on Iaone already, zero offload game and zero deception, should be wing or out, Proctor has to get his chance. Reece and Telea are not quality wings, Saffas have about half a dozen wings faster and more skillful than these two. Jordan has done nothing to suggest he is a test quality fullback. You have to look at Love and Perofeta.
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@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
That might have been because some of the older players like Whitelock, Retallick and Aaron Smith had certain standards drummed into them as part of the culture of the All Black teams they played for early their international careers.
Yet it's many of the senior players from roughly the same era - TJP, BB, etc - who aren't showing the leadership or the standards of old while overall the snr players from 2019 - 23 are busting a gut.
To Foster's credit, he clearly got his players firmly behind him when the chips were down and that's what seems to be dropping off. . That's what disappoints me more than anything.
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@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
One big thing we've learned is that if Will Jordan plays Test Rugby it's on the Wing. He's an emergency Fullback at best at Test level. Surely we can all agree on that?
Excuse my French but yeah, no shit.
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@Yeahtheboys said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
So have we all come to terms with:
Razor is the most overrated coach in history
Fozzie (despite not being good) was no where near as shit as people thought
Fozzie became a much better coach once he hand the team over to Joe Schmidt
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fuck the backs
A complete lack of penetration out wide - poor passing, positioning and shit running angles. One of the least effective attacking AB backline performances I've seen.
At least Ratima has tested the "all we need is quick ball to our 10 to slice them apart" hypothesis to destruction.
Said it more than once
Not lying deep enough
Sitting a metre or two further back now that you have the scrum half to pass the ball will give both DMac and JB the time to kick longer (neither of them have quick leg speed when they punt)
It will also create more doubt in the defenders because it will give DMac the time to read what's in front of him and fix the defences
Gives JB the chance to come up to battering ram speed
Putting ALB in at first five allows you to line up flatter. He's quicker off the mark forwards as well as laterally
Gives your back row the time to get to the breakdown and secure quick ruck ball. None of them are lightning
How about putting in a 10 who excels in creating space for his outsides?
Who the fuck is that in NZ rugby at the moment?
Also, one of DMac's key strengths for the Chiefs is his creating space for his outsides, what's different about the AB tactics that negates this from his game?
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@Nepia said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fuck the backs
A complete lack of penetration out wide - poor passing, positioning and shit running angles. One of the least effective attacking AB backline performances I've seen.
At least Ratima has tested the "all we need is quick ball to our 10 to slice them apart" hypothesis to destruction.
Said it more than once
Not lying deep enough
Sitting a metre or two further back now that you have the scrum half to pass the ball will give both DMac and JB the time to kick longer (neither of them have quick leg speed when they punt)
It will also create more doubt in the defenders because it will give DMac the time to read what's in front of him and fix the defences
Gives JB the chance to come up to battering ram speed
Putting ALB in at first five allows you to line up flatter. He's quicker off the mark forwards as well as laterally
Gives your back row the time to get to the breakdown and secure quick ruck ball. None of them are lightning
How about putting in a 10 who excels in creating space for his outsides?
Who the fuck is that in NZ rugby at the moment?
Also, one of DMac's key strengths for the Chiefs is his creating space for his outsides, what's different about the AB tactics that negates this from his game?
Less space and time in Test Match rugby
For solution, see above
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@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
One big thing we've learned is that if Will Jordan plays Test Rugby it's on the Wing. He's an emergency Fullback at best at Test level. Surely we can all agree on that?
It was his first time starting in that position in a test? Surely you have to give him some more opportunities to develop there given that's where he's excelled for the Crusaders. Hopefully Love gets an opportunity at some point too (likely on end of year tour).
