All Blacks 2024
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet things weren’t brilliant in 2004 when Henry took over. 2004 EOYT saw a changing of the guard and the emergence of the playing style that defined NZ during the purple patch of 2005-2017.
Henry was a proven and successful international coach with 8 years experience (turned around Wales and coached the BIL) when he took over the ABs.
Robertson is neither right now and that's the issue.
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@Victor-Meldrew he had coached at international level. He got his arse handed to him in 2004 and had to adjust.
Robertson has had his arse handed to him. Now he needs to adjust. Let’s see if he does.
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@stodders Henry also saw a massive rise than the collapse in Welsh fortunes too in his international career. He would have learned heaps from that. He also had 2 fabulous assistant coaches to drive his message through - and even then, they had to switch roles to get the best out of the playing group. Coaching isn’t easy.
I think Robertson will come right. He isn’t Mitchell and you aren’t on a journey at least 😬
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@stodders Henry also saw a massive rise than the collapse in Welsh fortunes too in his international career. He would have learned heaps from that. He also had 2 fabulous assistant coaches to drive his message through - and even then, they had to switch roles to get the best out of the playing group. Coaching isn’t easy.
I think Robertson will come right. He isn’t Mitchell and you aren’t on a journey at least 😬
Let's not forget that Henry's ABs fell in RWC07 and he could consider himself lucky to be reappointed based on the standard operating procedure regarding losing RWC coaches of the NZRFU at the time
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What the fuck is up with the kicking?
We know we have good kickers in the side, we've seen them do it.
Why is DMac taking a shot at goal from 60 when his range is 40? Why do we make so little ground when kicking for touch?
The rest of your post I completely agree with, but why do you keep saying McKenzie's range is 40m when it's not?
He can kick them from 50 comfortably and has done many times in the past. Not a good night off the tee, but to say his range is 40m is just plain wrong. -
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@stodders Henry also saw a massive rise than the collapse in Welsh fortunes too in his international career. He would have learned heaps from that. He also had 2 fabulous assistant coaches to drive his message through - and even then, they had to switch roles to get the best out of the playing group. Coaching isn’t easy.
I think Robertson will come right. He isn’t Mitchell and you aren’t on a journey at least 😬
Let's not forget that Henry's ABs fell in RWC07 and he could consider himself lucky to be reappointed based on the standard operating procedure regarding losing RWC coaches of the NZRFU at the time
Yeah we did choke, but it was our performances from 2005 up until that loss which made sense keeping Graham Henry. We had a lean year in 2009, but other than that and the shock 07 loss, we were very dominant.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan Henry’s team were a well oiled machine by 2007. The 2007 mishap, and 2009 Bok dominance forced the evolution that led to back to back world cups.
Not well oiled enough. I remember the talk on here after the game. No plan B
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Razor is getting some slack and rightly so. Building quite nicely actually.
The next step is to accept some of the incumbents need to be put out to pasture. A few of the subs are so so. -
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew he had coached at international level. He got his arse handed to him in 2004 and had to adjust.
Robertson has had his arse handed to him. Now he needs to adjust. Let’s see if he does.
Henry lost 2 games out of 11 in '04 - a 5 point loss in Sydney and a 14 point loss at Ellis Park - so hardly had his arse handed to him. Robertson has to win all his games against Oz, Ireland, England and France to match that.
Now I don't know if Robertson's been unlucky, is adjusting or needs more support, but it's fair to say the jury's out on if he can hack it at Test level.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
Yeah we did choke, but it was our performances from 2005 up until that loss which made sense keeping Graham Henry.
The issue now is we choke every second game we play.
The sort of fight we showed in tough games like against Ireland and Sth Africa in the RWC seems to have vanished.
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I've been thinking...
Jordie and Rieko aren't a good midfield, not creative enough.
Put Jordie and Proctor together.
Try Rieko more with ALB or even (gasp) with Lam, who arguably even as a winger wouldn't have been that bad last night.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What the fuck is up with the kicking?
We know we have good kickers in the side, we've seen them do it.
Why is DMac taking a shot at goal from 60 when his range is 40? Why do we make so little ground when kicking for touch?
The rest of your post I completely agree with, but why do you keep saying McKenzie's range is 40m when it's not?
He can kick them from 50 comfortably and has done many times in the past. Not a good night off the tee, but to say his range is 40m is just plain wrong.At test level? When we know Jordie can comfortably cover the distance? At least he only has to worry about direction and not hope he can kick it 20m further than he usually does.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I've been thinking...
Jordie and Rieko aren't a good midfield, not creative enough.
Put Jordie and Proctor together.
Try Rieko more with ALB or even (gasp) with Lam, who arguably even as a winger wouldn't have been that bad last night.
Combinations, coaches!I'll go one step further. Have a Chiefs - Hurricane combo
7-Cane 8-Sititi 9-Ratima 10-DMac 12-JB 13-Proctor -
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I've been thinking...
Jordie and Rieko aren't a good midfield, not creative enough.
Put Jordie and Proctor together.
Try Rieko more with ALB or even (gasp) with Lam, who arguably even as a winger wouldn't have been that bad last night.
Combinations, coaches!I'll go one step further. Have a Chiefs - Hurricane combo
7-Cane 8-Sititi 9-Ratima 10-DMac 12-JB 13-ProctorI notice you left out 6!
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@Victor-Meldrew no Smith, Coles, Retallick, Whitelock doesn't help with that.
BB & TJP are not the refuse-to-lose leaders those guys are. One wants to win it with a miracle chip kick every time, and one would rather chirp at the ref than play the game. -
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