Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@Snowy said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Ryan was asked if he was happy with the refs performance.
"It was a big test for Andrew Brace, Im sure he learned a few things, as did we".
Slightly less subtle than the usual euphemisms we get.
Whenever you see a coach (in this case Razor) say "discipline let us down", or mention "ref's interpretations", just read " that fluffybunny with the whistle didn't have a fucking clue".
Sadly they aren't allowed to say that, so I will.
One of my biggest bugbears in Rugby these days.
"Discipline let us down"
Translation: The refs perceptions/ interpretation of our discipline let us down. Video evidence shows our discipline was actually fine.
"we have to be cleverer with the pictures we are showing the ref"
Translation "we have to over exaggerate our clear releases etc, because this gobshite cant be trusted to officiate fairly".
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman possibly. But the ABs were getting pumped all day at the maul. They gave up penalties on the first three mauls and, from memory, 5/8 total bok mauls.
Your bench forwards largely got manhandled all over the rest of the park too.
Bj Dickson who started at blindside also happens to be a lock/blindside like Pstd so I wouldn’t read too much into that theory
I'll take look at tape. For me the Ofa yellow was wrong, because the maul stopped twice before he rejoined. IMO a mini win for ABs.
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@pakman not for the first time, someone had a bok’s leg lifted in that maul on the far side from the ref. a lovely little piece of skullduggery that I hope to have my u16s emulating soon.
Regardless, it’s not any one maul but rather the balance of them. Yes the ABs blunted the bok maul in the first 60 but they had to play right to the edge and over the line so it cost them a lot of penalties.
More costly was that at the business end the ref didn’t give them the benefit of the doubt they perhaps got earlier - which may well have been the case with the maul in question.
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Interesting analysis
Much better than that other guy, TSAnalytics
Scrum was an interesting watch. Not the dominance people on here thought
What can be agreed upon, the officiating team had a mare
Inconsistent and incorrect on far too many occasions
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Just before Fassi's yellow, he actually tackles Blackadder head on head and foot trips him in the same movement.
Just on scrum calls
4: Far side goes down. Impossible to see who at fault. X
22: Frans goes back and pushed up. Hinges and pulls TW down. If anything penalty black. X
26: Eben on. Boks lower than Blacks and go fwd. Couldn't argue if Boks awarded penalty. +
31: Frans also forced up. Drops right shoulder and scrum collapses. If anything penalty Black. X
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@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@reprobate Agree with you about the yapping - but, I wonder how many times Brace sent Jonny Sexton off. A weekly occurrence?
The somewhat annoying thing about that incident is that while play continued, PSdT hit Blackadder high in what would have been a very kickable position.
Overall, that was a really good test - very physical.
@pakman - have you done your scrum analysis? There were a couple around 55-60 mins where the Bok loosehead didn't look to be binding legally to me.
Four stages.
- Starters.
First collapses on far side. Other two Blacks had edge and unlucky not to get penalty on third.
ABs 2-0
- Eben/Du Toit
First Boks get nudge, and could have earned penalty.
Second Frans squeezed up and ABs had better.
Third Frans drops to knees, but Ox has lifted Lomax.
Boks 2-1
- Eben/Nortje Bomb squad
One scrum. Blacks get slight nudge. Steenekemp wobble then knee on ground.
ABs 1-0
- Eben/Du Toit Bomb squad
First scrum Lomax still on. Steenekemp binding wide and being pivoted in with hips out. ABs go forward.
Second Newell on. Rock solid.
ABs 1-0
Total ABs 5-2, but Boks best scrum tough.
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@Chris-B i think Brace doesn't like yapping from scrumhalves, as later in the game he let the Bok 10 give him a spray twice - once after he called time when taking his conversion and another time in general play. No sanction.
Wouldn't surprise me if Rassie had done his homework on TJP and called out his "excessive communication" to Brace pre-game. Clever coaching if so.
TJP's yapping was silly on his part. The Bok 10 was clearly not rolling away and there was a banker penalty about to be given to ABs. He gave Brace the option to sanction him rather than the Boks. This view was deemed incredibly stupid on X when I pointed out that TJP's frustration got the better of him. I have the award on my mantelpiece now
What will be interesting to me is if this is an initiative that refs will be implementing consistently to stop players reffing the game for them. My gut tells me they won't follow through, or even worse, will do so inconsistently which will just infuriate players, coaches and fans even more.
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@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@reprobate Agree with you about the yapping - but, I wonder how many times Brace sent Jonny Sexton off. A weekly occurrence?
The somewhat annoying thing about that incident is that while play continued, PSdT hit Blackadder high in what would have been a very kickable position.
Overall, that was a really good test - very physical.
@pakman - have you done your scrum analysis? There were a couple around 55-60 mins where the Bok loosehead didn't look to be binding legally to me.
A lot of LHs use a long bind to TH's back around bottom of lats. Steenekemp seems to have a longish bind but grabs TH jersey on chest side, and seems to end up tugging jersey down. Without checking Laws not sure on strict legalities, but would be pinged if TH did it.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman not for the first time, someone had a bok’s leg lifted in that maul on the far side from the ref. a lovely little piece of skullduggery that I hope to have my u16s emulating soon.
Regardless, it’s not any one maul but rather the balance of them. Yes the ABs blunted the bok maul in the first 60 but they had to play right to the edge and over the line so it cost them a lot of penalties.
More costly was that at the business end the ref didn’t give them the benefit of the doubt they perhaps got earlier - which may well have been the case with the maul in question.
There were three mauls in H1. From first ABs scored, but Lomax borderline in front of catcher. The other two ABs penalised, first for collapsing. The third Bongi botch, but would have been Boks penalty as ref playing advantage.
Six in second. First after Bomb Squad on ABs stopped legally. Second ABs overcomplicated at 63 when 5m out.
Then four from 67 to 74. The first stopped twice, but Brace was probably expecting ABs to cheat. So H1 impression did probably impact.
The last three were 8 on 7. ABs did all right. Stopped two but momentum on them allowed Boks to get close and led to tries.
One good AB stop at 72:30.
In summary, Boks had edge in mauls, but ABs edged lineouts and had better of scrums.
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@pakman seems we had the same impression of the mauls.
Read your scrum analysis above. Not sure I completely agree with your scoring but your scrum stood up very well in your 22 and was foxy in protecting possession outside of it. Overall though, giving up just a single penalty, winning all your put ins and making the scrum a mess on bok feeds is a big tactical success.
Not sure how you can say your lineout was on top. If the Sanzaar stats can be believed you won 13 and lost 1 (stolen at the front?), Boks won 24 and lost 2 (Marx overthrows, iirc.)
As an aside it’s very interesting seeing how many lineouts the ABs gave the boks. A lot of kicking to touch. Why the shift?
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Not sure how you can say your lineout was on top. If the Sanzaar stats can be believed you won 13 and lost 1 (stolen at the front?), Boks won 24 and lost 2 (Marx overthrows, iirc.)
Am I fucking up my maths or is 1/13 less of a percentage than 2/24?
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman seems we had the same impression of the mauls.
Read your scrum analysis above. Not sure I completely agree with your scoring but your scrum stood up very well in your 22 and was foxy in protecting possession outside of it. Overall though, giving up just a single penalty, winning all your put ins and making the scrum a mess on bok feeds is a big tactical success.
Not sure how you can say your lineout was on top. If the Sanzaar stats can be believed you won 13 and lost 1 (stolen at the front?), Boks won 24 and lost 2 (Marx overthrows, iirc.)
As an aside it’s very interesting seeing how many lineouts the ABs gave the boks. A lot of kicking to touch. Why the shift?
On scrums, of my four stages Boks only had edge in second, with Eben and Du Toit behind starting front row. ABs had six put ins out of nine.
On lineouts, ABs were winning their throw more easily and the sole 'miss' was when ball went through jumper's fingers but regathered by Scooter.
Think we disrupted one of Boks and one was a 'no jump'.
Seems part of ABs kicking strategy was to kick to touch. Not quite sure why.
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@pakman definitely was a period early in second half when Bok lineout went to shit so stats were a bit surprising. Agree that we didn’t put as much pressure on your lineout as you did on a few of ours. Then again, you didn’t have that many.
Understand what you’re saying about scrums I think. Just think you were under a lot more pressure than us most of the time. Like the reverse of LOs.
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https://archive.ph/EHlvb. from this article.
Seems they ranked all the refs through the RWC and Brace was dead last.
