Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Re Sotutu, do we know why he has been absent from the Auckland team lately?
Because he's playing for Counties?
Fuck I am getting old!
Edit - just checked and he wasn't in the listed team this week for Counties. He wasn't a couple of weeks ago too when I bothered to take a look. Is he injured?
Hard to know because their social media is terrible.
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@voodoo said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Weather forecast for Saturday still looking good:
Pretty chilly, but no rain or excessive wind expected (yet).
Wow, that's cool!! The olds are on a tour following the team. Being from Wellie they will feel right at home!!
Hope they're having fun!
They chose an excellent week for Cape Town - it's unseasonably warm and dry this week.
Today is 29 degrees and while it gradually cools towards the weekend, it should still be sunshine.They've been on safari, I think they are at Victoria Falls. Off to Capetown later in the week. A trip of a lifetime
That's awesome.
They thought the atmosphere at Ellis Park was amazing, just crazy getting in and out. They walk okay, but would have preferred it if the bus could have got them a little closer!!
If they're planning on being at Cape Town Stadium on Saturday best you warn them that vehicles can't get too close there either. But it is not super far from basically any drop-off point, and pretty flat.
Glad they enjoyed the Ellis Park atmosphere. It can be something special when heaving.
Cape Town likewise will be good for different reasons. Likely they will see a lot of AB jerseys there..!They are on a NZ based bus tour. So I would imagine the walk to the ground is pretty standard, like any major sporting ground
Assume their tour will take them to Caprice at Camps Bay the day after the test for a long recovery / celebration session?
A wee tour into the wine country I'd imagine
Possibly more appropriate
Stellenbosch and Franschhoek are wicked - so many good wines and such beautiful scenery
My uncle used to be the head gardener at Boschendal
Visited him for the day when I was over that way many moons ago
Fabulous tour of the gardens, house and a super lunch with lubrication
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@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Brandon No apologies needed IMHO. Teams can respond to the Haka how they see fit as look as they don't physically assault the players during the challenge, then I expect the ABs to fight back.
Good sentiment Sparky.
Interestingly enough - the Boks (and Bok fans) relish the tradition and honour of facing the Haka.
Which is why Saturday's debacle probably riled us up more than you Kiwis!
The plane - couldn't be helped. But the stadium DJ... abominable. -
@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Brandon No apologies needed IMHO. Teams can respond to the Haka how they see fit as look as they don't physically assault the players during the challenge, then I expect the ABs to fight back.
Good sentiment Sparky.
Interestingly enough - the Boks (and Bok fans) relish the tradition and honour of facing the Haka.
Which is why Saturday's debacle probably riled us up more than you Kiwis!
The plane - couldn't be helped. But the stadium DJ... abominable.Yeah, both the French and the Saffas relish the haka, whereas many of the NH teams let it get into their heads. Even the Aussies went a bit like that for a while, when they tried to combat the haka with Waltzing Matilda 🙄
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Expect Boks to start with Etzebeth/Nortje/Du Toit. Maximum scrum and maul for first 60.
Perhaps Blacks need to try a similar theme. Start Scooter and Vaa'i. At 55ish Darry on and Vaa'i to 6 for 10 - 15. Hard to know who should be bench loosie. Perhaps Paps on for Niggles at 65 and run left/right flanks, or vice versa. Or could Lord be part of 6-2 bench?
Another thought: Would be very useful to have Codie there at end. Perhaps start Aumua for first 30 and bring on Codie for rest?
As for backs, Ratima on earlier, perhaps 50. It doesn't seem that ALB adds impact. Instead, is very much injury cover. Keep Clarke on for whole 80 if possible. Maybe start Telea and bench Jordan, who can come on in second. Replace DMac/Jordie/Rieko/Telea/Clarke or Beaudy depending how match develops!
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Some good points, decision making is shit. Pinned the finger at Jordie but lost minute Beaudy and DMac un willing to control the game with the boot, are just as had
Analysis: All Blacks' decision making must take share of blame for loss
The talk about a lack of impact from the bench at Ellis Park probably misses the point given the All Blacks' wastefulness, writes Patrick McKendry.
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
What Rassie does better than anyone else I believe is select a starting XV which will be in contention at the 50-60 minute mark
I think it's less Rassie than happy circumstance that SA has produced a significant depth when he's been in charge.
He's exploited and managed it well, but I feel he's getting credit for more than he should.
Circumstance have allowed him to implement some of his off the wall ideas.
The depth he has to play with is reminiscent of periods of AB history where the question was not who to select, but who to leave out.
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Yes, we definitely wanted to lose the guys capable of running our set piece, defending mauls etc.
Re-injuring Bell was one Joe's KPIs.
Anyone questioning this on social media is met with the smug outrage of a thousand Bok fans.
Why raise this here?
Because I am officially passing the mantle of "Guardians Of The Game" from you lot to Boks fans.
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Brandon No apologies needed IMHO. Teams can respond to the Haka how they see fit as look as they don't physically assault the players during the challenge, then I expect the ABs to fight back.
Good sentiment Sparky.
Interestingly enough - the Boks (and Bok fans) relish the tradition and honour of facing the Haka.
Which is why Saturday's debacle probably riled us up more than you Kiwis!
The plane - couldn't be helped. But the stadium DJ... abominable.Oh God don't get me started on stadium DJs who just kill the atmosphere dead every time they blast out whatever awful music they've chosen on the day. An absolute blight.
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@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@NTA said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Because I am officially passing the mantle of "Guardians Of The Game" from you lot to Boks fans.
isn't it 'keepers of the line' like the filthy sandpapering cricketers?
Split the difference: "Keepers Of The Faith"
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@NTA said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@NTA said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Because I am officially passing the mantle of "Guardians Of The Game" from you lot to Boks fans.
isn't it 'keepers of the line' like the filthy sandpapering cricketers?
Split the difference: "Keepers Of The Faith"
Even you given up on the Wahs?
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
don't get me started on stadium DJs who just kill the atmosphere dead every time they blast out whatever awful music
they've chosen on the dayfrom Now Thats What I call Music 1996 Disc 1Fixed
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Much has been said about Tony Brown's influence on the bok team. I think they are headed in the wrong direction. When the boks reverted to traditional bash and subdue, they took control and won. The AB's are playing like last years boks, with a lot of kick and hope. Where are the AB game style critics now? @sparky, is the game going to die off?
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@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The boks looked....dare I say it...poorly coached last weekend. The players pulled it through but it was pretty clueless.
The problem with winning game plans is they rarely evolve. The plan they have won 3 consecutive games by a point, and therefore a RWC.
Is Brown's presence noticeable in the fact they'll pass a bit in midfield instead of just playing Clatterball? Maybe. Could just be that they're playing Anyone But Handre at 10, which changes the ability of the team to execute certain plans. Mostly their plan is the same as before: bash up the middle, let the wingers do winger things when in position. The difference is that they're putting it through hands instead of the boot.
I think it was less about being poorly coached and more about new systems and execution. Certainly Reinach at 9 is a bit different to Faf. There was a bit of disruption with early blood and injuries as well.
The ABs could have made a bit more hay with a better scrum half IMHO, as speed of attacking ruck was where they looked ponderous.
One thought I had watching 5 Bok forwards trot out on the park just after halftime: that is a massive advantage over introducing your forward subs piecemeal. Chances are the starting and reserve lineup have trained as units in the leadup, so rather than individuals having to come up to match speed, you have a cohesive unit come on together and grow into the game together.
That might offer advantages in finishing more clinically, and give other coaches food for thought.
Nearly bit them in the arse when a couple of backs started to drop. That's the risk.
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@NTA said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The boks looked....dare I say it...poorly coached last weekend. The players pulled it through but it was pretty clueless.
The problem with winning game plans is they rarely evolve. The plan they have won 3 consecutive games by a point, and therefore a RWC.
Is Brown's presence noticeable in the fact they'll pass a bit in midfield instead of just playing Clatterball? Maybe. Could just be that they're playing Anyone But Handre at 10, which changes the ability of the team to execute certain plans. Mostly their plan is the same as before: bash up the middle, let the wingers do winger things when in position. The difference is that they're putting it through hands instead of the boot.
I think it was less about being poorly coached and more about new systems and execution. Certainly Reinach at 9 is a bit different to Faf. There was a bit of disruption with early blood and injuries as well.
The ABs could have made a bit more hay with a better scrum half IMHO, as speed of attacking ruck was where they looked ponderous.
One thought I had watching 5 Bok forwards trot out on the park just after halftime: that is a massive advantage over introducing your forward subs piecemeal. Chances are the starting and reserve lineup have trained as units in the leadup, so rather than individuals having to come up to match speed, you have a cohesive unit come on together and grow into the game together.
That might offer advantages in finishing more clinically, and give other coaches food for thought.
Nearly bit them in the arse when a couple of backs started to drop. That's the risk.
Yes exactly. They are basically 2 packs that train against each other. The running the ball looks a bit ponderous, almost as if the players don't buy into it.
Scrumhalf is a big concern. Williams great as a sub to lift things. Cobus is starting to show his age. Missed Faf.
