Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Ab winning % during the timeline of Wayne Barnes coaching career = 86% (roughly
27 AB tests reffed by Wayne Barnes = 64% winning %
If an AB coach only had the his AB coaching career reffed by Barnes he would be the least successful coach in AB history
Not sure this makes the point you think it does.
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@LatsToTheMax said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
We are due a good game of rugby with the South Africans.
2023 Twickenham was dire and so was the WC final.
Two of the most mistake ridden , disjointed games of rugby I've seen involving the ABs.And the refereeing/tmo involvement was a thundering disgrace.
I will never have that match mentioned without saying it.
Im still fucking seething over it.
I still can't believe no one is talking about nor, talked about the forearm from Kitsoff into Frizell's head that caused him to ilegally fall over and risk the life of the ground beneath him.
You're new here. We gnashed over that, Cane's RC vs Kolisi's YC, and the performance of the ref and TMO for a long time after the game
Cut that out. Some of us are
trying to wring a few more wanks out of your despair at losing another World Cup Finalgraciously enjoy our team’s deserved victory -
Read into it what you will.
It’s just facts. And the facts are pretty clear.
What is the point I am trying to make?
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Read into it what you will.
It’s just facts. And the facts are pretty clear.
What is the point I am trying to make?
What I read into it is that when reffed by a very fine referee over the period in question the ABs lost lot more than when reffed by referees who on average were worse than Barnes.
I’d like to see more data but it suggests that the ABs perform worse under better quality reffing.
Given his stature, Barnes also likely got given bigger games so it might also say something about the ABs under pressure, but we’d need to look a lot harder at the games he reffed to see.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
What is the point I am trying to make?
What I read into it
There's the problem right there..
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@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Will Smith? I think you'll find he supports the Men in Black.
You can have him
Fair swap, you can have Chris Rock as forward or back. Probably his best position is as a simple swap for Willie, slower feet but faster mouth.
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@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@stodders this is my first non-troll series of posts in this thread.
Stop trying to take the underdogs tag. Boks by anthowsand
I’m definitely not trying to take the underdogs tag.
At Ellis Park as reigning back to back world champions with the wiliest head coach who seduced the best attack coach on earth we should beat the world’s next best team coached by a breakdancer who couldn’t even make the olympics or keep his attack coach.
What’s great about our rivalry though is that home ground advantage, favourites, underdog status, form book, logic and, sadly more often than not, the moral order of the universe, simply don’t matter.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Will Smith? I think you'll find he supports the Men in Black.
You can have him
Fair swap, you can have Chris Rock as forward or back. Probably his best position is as a simple swap for Willie, slower feet but faster mouth.
We’ve got a few good replacement options for WLR.
But Rock might be handy as an annoying ruck rat - great timing, knows how to go for the jugular, gets under the oppo’s skin and takes a klap as a badge of honour.
Guess you’re taking the soft-shouldered cuck to upgrade your blindside?
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@darylmitchell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@darylmitchell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Saffa backline is massively overrated on here, it's because they won the WC playing a methodical gameplan where everyone is the sum of their parts, and does only exactly what's required for them, the only ones who i'd pick in our 23 is either of Kriel and Dellende over ALB on the bench and Feinberg over Dmac at a stretch.
South Africa have better props and better bench locks & loosies but that's it.
De Allende would piss in ahead of Jordie. Class player. Kriel would probably force Reiko to the wing too.
First five is a coin toss.
Watch the RWC final again, their backs are limited and posed little threat to us despite 15 vs 14.
these players also versed our guys in Super Rugby and mostly got walked over.
France and Ireland certainly have better backlines than SA. England's is about par with them.
my theory is folks on here and our media give them too much respect because they're our traditional rivals and we have a unique relationship off the field.
The big difference is they have improved since the WC courtesy of coaching and personnel
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You have just talked yourself out of an analysis work in any field of business with this rancid take Smuts.
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@DaGrubster that hurts almost as much as if you’d made a reasonable counter argument.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
You're talking shit Daryl
I'll watch that final again (no I won't) and watch jordie stink the joint out.
DdE is the player Jordie fluffers think Jordie is. I would take him in a heartbeat.
Kreil is hugely underrated here, he is strong on the carry and free his outsides. If he was a kiwi people would cream over him.I kinda agree with Daz in the sense that they are a little overrated. But that doesn’t mean they are shit and our midfielders are better - ours are defo more shit than them collectively and individually.
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@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Ab winning % during the timeline of Wayne Barnes coaching career = 86% (roughly
27 AB tests reffed by Wayne Barnes = 64% winning %
If an AB coach only had the his AB coaching career reffed by Barnes he would be the least successful coach in AB history
Geez, Wayne?
Post deserves more love
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster that hurts almost as much as if you’d made a reasonable counter argument.
Not the thread to discuss it in length.
But that was over his whole career not just the week or two he was considered the best in the world.
It also includes some games against teams such as Italy and some minnows.
It’s a curious stat. You could say that his slow style just never suited NZ’s play or you could say he had an unconscious or conscious bias against Nz given the history…? His book seemed to point to the latter.
Personally, I thought he developed into a very good ref, very calm communicator but I always winced when I saw his name pop up for our next game.
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@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@junior I don't think anyone here has been looking at the Boks and going "wow, what a backline! Imagine if they had Aaron Mauger too!". So it's a bit odd to stamp a mark in the ground about them being overrated.
They're no mugs, but.
They’re in transition and starting to play some fast and expansive rugby
When it clicks, watch out
Think the Japanese backs under Brown but with almost guaranteed quick, go forward ball
