Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
You're talking shit Daryl
I'll watch that final again (no I won't) and watch jordie stink the joint out.
DdE is the player Jordie fluffers think Jordie is. I would take him in a heartbeat.
Kreil is hugely underrated here, he is strong on the carry and free his outsides. If he was a kiwi people would cream over him.If Saffa backs like DdE and Kriel still came up against our guys in Super Rugby we'd see their attacking limitations a lot more compared to our guys, when not playing in Rassie's slick cohesive setup and sum of their parts approach, just playing for the regular old Bulls and Stormers against Blues/Hurricanes, they'd be AJ Lam/Tupaea/Poihipi level.
NZ's point of difference has always been our explosive dynamic backs. Only France come anywhere close of the current int. player pools.
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of those SA guys only Kolbe had a decent impact in SR, and that was during his prime, now he's over the hill and would get run around/over by most NZ wingers.
by the way this isn't just conjecture - these SA guys played in Super as recent as 5 years ago and were very rarely up there with ours in attacking stats and other metrics.
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Riiiiight
Firstly, super rugby is not test rugby
Secondly, we are picking Jordie for.no other reason than he is a big dumb lump to truck it up. When he does literally anything else he fucks it up. Explosive and dynamic? Give me strength.
I love Reiko Ioane, but didn't he fail to score a single try this super season despite playing against shit Australian teams and playing for the best team in the comp?
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Cane looked understandably short of a gallop at Eden Park. Hopefully that run was good for him and he can look up to the pace.
A real litmus test test for some of these players - especially the ones with limited to no exposure to playing the Boks (or even South African Super teams) at the high veldt
Williams, Vaai, Clarke, Aumua, Darry, Finau etc.
Let's see what they are made of
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@mariner4life if any of the ABs backs played in URC they'd score agamillion tries though so they're way better than the Springboks.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Riiiiight
Firstly, super rugby is not test rugby
Secondly, we are picking Jordie for.no other reason than he is a big dumb lump to truck it up. When he does literally anything else he fucks it up. Explosive and dynamic? Give me strength.
I love Reiko Ioane, but didn't he fail to score a single try this super season despite playing against shit Australian teams and playing for the best team in the comp?
I think Jordie went from being an average fullback to a poor wing to a handy 2nd five, certainly playing after David Havilli helped…..but those who laud him as this Jonah like Mastadon are just talking absolute bullshit.
Good player, players in other teams are better though.
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Say what you like but we're playing the world champions, who are at home and have so much depth Eben is forced to sit on the bench.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Riiiiight
Firstly, super rugby is not test rugby
Secondly, we are picking Jordie for.no other reason than he is a big dumb lump to truck it up. When he does literally anything else he fucks it up. Explosive and dynamic? Give me strength.
oh come on, where's your memory, Jordie made his debut for the Hurricanes in 2017 aged 19 - and he and his brother spent that season terrorizing Saffa and Australian sides, I shudder to think what 26 year old Jordie would inflict at SR level on Stormers/Bulls/Sharks/Lions today.
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@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@mariner4life if any of the ABs backs played in URC they'd score agamillion tries though so they're way better than the Springboks.
South Afrīca will forever be the whipping boys of Super Rugby.
Less overall wins than Australian sides (home and away), even with biased refs like Egon Seconds, etc. assisting them with home wins.
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@darylmitchell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@mariner4life if any of the ABs backs played in URC they'd score agamillion tries though so they're way better than the Springboks.
South Afrīca will forever be the whipping boys of Super Rugby.
Less overall wins than Australian sides (home and away), even with biased refs like Egon Seconds, etc. assisting them with home wins.
Fuck yeah! I hope our losing ABs remind them of that during every stoppage in the test match on Saturday. That'll teach the Boks, those RWC trophies will be great for catching their tears over being subpar in SR.
You go Daryl
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@darylmitchell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
where's your memory, Jordie made his debut for the Hurricanes in 2017 aged 19 - and he and his brother spent that season terrorizing Saffa and Australian sides
2017?...I remember the Hurricanes getting smoked by the Lions in the semi final....at...you guessed it.... Ellis Park.
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I wish the ABs would stop
Blowing smoke up the saffas ass about how great they are. It’s reminiscent of the black caps when they go to Australia.Say we respect them but we are only interested in smashing those fuckers
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I really hope the second half structure doesn't turn to custard.
What with Saffa time wasting tactics of drink and injury breaks; along with a recent AB trend of subs and second half lack of structure this game could end up another dour spectacle.How their skullduggery hasn’t been reined in yet is beyond me. I’d be on to the refs week in week out. Ramping it up in the media etc.
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I wish the ABs would stop
Blowing smoke up the saffas ass about how great they are. It’s reminiscent of the black caps when they go to Australia.Say we respect them but we are only interested in smashing those fuckers
That’s it. I want a massive hit early doors.
Even if they get the pass away. Just line someone up and empty him.
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@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Riiiiight
Firstly, super rugby is not test rugby
Secondly, we are picking Jordie for.no other reason than he is a big dumb lump to truck it up. When he does literally anything else he fucks it up. Explosive and dynamic? Give me strength.
I love Reiko Ioane, but didn't he fail to score a single try this super season despite playing against shit Australian teams and playing for the best team in the comp?
I think Jordie went from being an average fullback to a poor wing to a handy 2nd five, certainly playing after David Havilli helped…..but those who laud him as this Jonah like Mastadon are just talking absolute bullshit.
Good player, players in other teams are better though.
I think the Leinster move will be good for him.
Might sharpen up his act with regard to the fundamentals. Less profligate with the pill.
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@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
You're talking shit Daryl
I'll watch that final again (no I won't) and watch jordie stink the joint out.
DdE is the player Jordie fluffers think Jordie is. I would take him in a heartbeat.
Kreil is hugely underrated here, he is strong on the carry and free his outsides. If he was a kiwi people would cream over him.Plus throw in Esterhuizen and Am and it’s fair to say their midfield is a bit more stacked than ours.
Am was the best player in the world in my opinion just before he got injured.
Superb decision making. Really really clever player.
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Ab winning % during the timeline of Wayne Barnes coaching career = 86% (roughly
27 AB tests reffed by Wayne Barnes = 64% winning %
If an AB coach only had the his AB coaching career reffed by Barnes he would be the least successful coach in AB history
Not sure this makes the point you think it does.
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@LatsToTheMax said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
We are due a good game of rugby with the South Africans.
2023 Twickenham was dire and so was the WC final.
Two of the most mistake ridden , disjointed games of rugby I've seen involving the ABs.And the refereeing/tmo involvement was a thundering disgrace.
I will never have that match mentioned without saying it.
Im still fucking seething over it.
I still can't believe no one is talking about nor, talked about the forearm from Kitsoff into Frizell's head that caused him to ilegally fall over and risk the life of the ground beneath him.
You're new here. We gnashed over that, Cane's RC vs Kolisi's YC, and the performance of the ref and TMO for a long time after the game
Cut that out. Some of us are
trying to wring a few more wanks out of your despair at losing another World Cup Finalgraciously enjoy our team’s deserved victory -
Read into it what you will.
It’s just facts. And the facts are pretty clear.
What is the point I am trying to make?
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Read into it what you will.
It’s just facts. And the facts are pretty clear.
What is the point I am trying to make?
What I read into it is that when reffed by a very fine referee over the period in question the ABs lost lot more than when reffed by referees who on average were worse than Barnes.
I’d like to see more data but it suggests that the ABs perform worse under better quality reffing.
Given his stature, Barnes also likely got given bigger games so it might also say something about the ABs under pressure, but we’d need to look a lot harder at the games he reffed to see.
