All Blacks v Argentina II
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
imagine being the only openside in the country who can't get selected? soul destroying.
Imagine being the best blind side in the country who can't get selected...
well, it's the top 2 really.
The best #8 in Super Rugby is playing NPC, and of the two top 6s, one is holding tackle bags, and the other is playing NPC.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
For Darry's try, which was basically McKenzie and Barrett breaking away, it's Blackadder right on Darry's shoulder as he scores. Massive props to Darry for being up there too by the way.
So what you're saying is that this tearaway loose forward with a big motor was beaten to the punch by a to date run of the mill lock known for doing the tight stuff and not exactly having pace? 😬
Thats exactly what im saying. And guess where our open side flanker was.
Standing on our own 22 with his hands on his hips.
Blackadder started from a deeper position than Papalii and Dalton didnt try a leg to get there.
Dalton top left, Darry with white head tape to the right. Blackadder just inside 22.
Watch the footage. Dalton just stops and puts hands on hips. Darry and Blackadder chase McKenzie's chip and chase, overtaking Perenara en route half way up the field. Darry looks fair quick for a lock in the footage. Well done to him.
Dalton top left with hands on hips while the rest of the Allblacks try and score a try. He is still ahead of Darry and Blackadder at this point.
This is so wrong it isn't funny. Like really, really stupid.
The moment DMc kicked that ball Papali'i was offside. If he went further upfield he would simply have to turn around and move backwards, thereby cancelling any movement upfield.
Blackadder is strongly advantaged by being behind DMc, which is why he too waited until he was almost level.
Papali'i did exactly the right thing, which was to conserve energy in a situation where he could be of no use.
If Darry chased the kick from ahead of the kicker, then he was offside and it was a stupid play by him.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lol Perenara
it makes me feel like im missing something obvious...what im looking for in players seems very very different to what paid professionals are looking for or they see things i dont...doesnt help my connection with the team
I'm exactly the same mate, I really hoped / thought I would be able to understand Razors selections more than this... but TJP just ustterly baffles me...its literally like driving down the road with the handbrake not quite off....
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All Blacks match-day 23 (Test caps in brackets)
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Tamaiti Williams (8)
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Codie Taylor (88) (Vice Captain)
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Tyrel Lomax (35)
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Tupou Vaa’i (29)
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Sam Darry (2)
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Ethan Blackadder (12)
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Dalton Papali’i (35)
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Ardie Savea (85) (Captain)
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TJ Perenara (83)
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Damian McKenzie (51)
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Caleb Clarke (21)
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Jordie Barrett (61) (Vice Captain)
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Rieko Ioane (72)
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Will Jordan (32)
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Beauden Barrett (127)
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Asafo Aumua (10)
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Ofa Tu’ungafasi (60)
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Fletcher Newell (17)
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Josh Lord (5)
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Sam Cane (95)
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Cortez Ratima (3)
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Anton Lienert-Brown (74)
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Mark Tele’a (12)
Unavailable due to injury: Ethan de Groot (neck). Scott Barrett (finger surgery), Patrick Tuipulotu (calf), Stephen Perofeta (calf), Luke Jacobson (hamstring).
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I note the hugely underwhelming big dumb lump at 12 remains completely imune from accountability?
Razor has backed himself into a corner by making Jordie vice captain and without captain Scott Barrett around he's even less likely to drop Jordie
Jordie needs to be a bit more assertive like we saw last year.
So he needs to run straighterer and harderer?
i think he also needs to work to get an offload in the tackle, we we really just want crash ball then we should run a loosie out there, backs should be looking to spark something
To me I think the bigger issue is his decision making.
There was a play on the weekend where he had space and should have simply passed to the winger outside him
Instead he tried to take the tackle whilst offloading inside - which resulted in a turnover
Essentially it was a low % play
It was eerily similar to his play with Narawa in the earlier tests where he makes the low % back flip offload instead of making the smart play and ended up butchering a try.
It creeps up all too often in his game.
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Hope EDG injury isn't to serious, but more than happy with Tamaiti having a start.
TJP ... WTAF ( TJP makes this a very beatable team, Reece was the better than TJP at half last week)
Wouldn't have minded seeing ALB at 12 and Reiko at 13....
Like the CC change too.
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Wouldn't have minded seeing ALB at 12 and Reiko at 13....
Same. For some reason they haven't played much together though
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lol Perenara
it makes me feel like im missing something obvious...what im looking for in players seems very very different to what paid professionals are looking for or they see things i dont...doesnt help my connection with the team
It can only be experience. Theres definitely nothing else
If Ratima et al cant get in now, after a loss, against Argentina at home, you would draw the inference that they wouldnt be thrown in against the Boks in their back garden.
So the likes of TJP and Beaudy are here to stay for the foreseeable?
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lol Perenara
it makes me feel like im missing something obvious...what im looking for in players seems very very different to what paid professionals are looking for or they see things i dont...doesnt help my connection with the team
It can only be experience. Theres definitely nothing else
If Ratima et al cant get in now, after a loss, against Argentina at home, you would draw the inference that they wouldnt be thrown in against the Boks in their back garden.
So the likes of TJP and Beaudy are here to stay?
I can understand - though not necessarily agree with the logic of BB playing FB. They obviously want their FB to be a second playmaker and slot in a first 5. I assume this is the reason why Jordan is on the wing instead of FB also.
TJ I can't understand, it makes no sense to start him and then have an inexeprienced HB on the bench to close the game out. It seems a complete inverse of their useful skills and talents in the team.
Then again they also chose to put Sititi on at 6 a position he hadn't played in all year, where all his skills are negated while the game was in the balance - it doesn't exactly scream brilliant tactical substitutions are us.
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I think there's probably enough young guys in the wider squad.
In the last game the average age of the forwards was 28 and the average age of the backs was 27.
Contrast that to the average ages of the Springboks team that won the RWC - 32 in forwards and 30 in backs.
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Very short 2c.
I'm generally happy with that team except for 6-8, and their respective bench mates. More specifically 6 and 9 I suppose.
That's what makes it underwhelming for me.
I expect us to make less points conceding errors and thus win by p plenty.
It's not so much papering over the cracks as I think when we apply ourselves to the task we're better than them, considerably so.
But you can't give them gift wrapped points and hope to win. I hope they've worked on that and lineouts.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
All Blacks match-day 23 (Test caps in brackets)
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Tamaiti Williams (8)
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Codie Taylor (88) (Vice Captain)
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Tyrel Lomax (35)
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Tupou Vaa’i (29)
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Sam Darry (2)
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Ethan Blackadder (12)
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Dalton Papali’i (35)
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Ardie Savea (85) (Captain)
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TJ Perenara (83)
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Damian McKenzie (51)
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Caleb Clarke (21)
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Jordie Barrett (61) (Vice Captain)
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Rieko Ioane (72)
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Will Jordan (32)
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Beauden Barrett (127)
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Asafo Aumua (10)
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Ofa Tu’ungafasi (60)
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Fletcher Newell (17)
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Josh Lord (5)
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Sam Cane (95)
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Cortez Ratima (3)
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Anton Lienert-Brown (74)
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Mark Tele’a (12)
Unavailable due to injury: Ethan de Groot (neck). Scott Barrett (finger surgery), Patrick Tuipulotu (calf), Stephen Perofeta (calf), Luke Jacobson (hamstring).
there is a bit of a story shown by this graphic. look a the test caps and look at the performance last week
BBarrett (127) ok game
Taylor (88) poor game
Savea (85) average game, bad error at bad time
Perenara (83) poor game
Reiko (72) came off bench barely touched it
JBarrett (61) poor gameIn a youngish team our so-called experienced heads and leaders collectively stunk the joint out.
Meaning we were stuck with a bunch of 3rd year test players to sort everything out
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