All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
For Darry's try, which was basically McKenzie and Barrett breaking away, it's Blackadder right on Darry's shoulder as he scores. Massive props to Darry for being up there too by the way.
So what you're saying is that this tearaway loose forward with a big motor was beaten to the punch by a to date run of the mill lock known for doing the tight stuff and not exactly having pace? 😬
Thats exactly what im saying. And guess where our open side flanker was.
Standing on our own 22 with his hands on his hips.
Blackadder started from a deeper position than Papalii and Dalton didnt try a leg to get there.
Dalton top left, Darry with white head tape to the right. Blackadder just inside 22.
Watch the footage. Dalton just stops and puts hands on hips. Darry and Blackadder chase McKenzie's chip and chase, overtaking Perenara en route half way up the field. Darry looks fair quick for a lock in the footage. Well done to him.
Dalton top left with hands on hips while the rest of the Allblacks try and score a try. He is still ahead of Darry and Blackadder at this point.
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Can I ask what you'd like Paps to do here?
Run in field as fast as possible?
I'm a bit lost - it's been a while since I played, but even then we had attack patterns and if you were last man out you didn't bolt infield just because you were a loosie.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet what was the play before?
I cant see from the footage. Im just looking at the highlight video in YouTube.
But keep in mind this is minute 14 not minute 79.
You have McCaws number on your back.
Move your fucking ass.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Can I ask what you'd like Paps to do here?
Run in field as fast as possible?
I'm a bit lost - it's been a while since I played, but even then we had attack patterns and if you were last man out you didn't bolt infield just because you were a loosie.
upfield. not infield.
Following the play to the next breakdown.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Can I ask what you'd like Paps to do here?
Run in field as fast as possible?
I'm a bit lost - it's been a while since I played, but even then we had attack patterns and if you were last man out you didn't bolt infield just because you were a loosie.
upfield. not infield.
Following the play to the next breakdown.
It's not Remember the Titans mate, he can't clear a path for Dmac.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
It was a knock on and the players near the knock are expecting a scrum. Then the chip kick worked
The main thing watching the replay is how slow Blackadder is in comparison to Taylor. Codie flys past him
I'm going to have to watch this fucking game, aren't I?
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
It was a knock on and the players near the knock are expecting a scrum. Then the chip kick worked
The main thing watching the replay is how slow Blackadder is in comparison to Taylor. Codie flys past him
This is true.
The point I was making was that Bones questioned whether Blackadder gets around the park , and in his defence I noted that he does his best as his physical limitations allow. He was first man on the scene as Darry dots down and would have been available for an offload should Darry have been a yard short.
And I was noting that while slow, and while not Kaino-esque or McCaw-esque he tries his heart out.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Interesting title to this weeks podcast after what has been said on here since the match.
It was a good show. We are losing the collisions (surprise surprise), and everything goes downhill from there. Sounds like SA have made a leap, the games over there could get very ugly if we don't lock in fast
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I'll reserve judgement until the EOYT, maybe earlier if the downward slide continues, but he needs to sort the forwards mess pronto.
he won 3 games in a row as AB coach and lost a fourth is a downward slide?
Well it certainly isn't upwards, is it?
key word: slide
"to move along in continuous contact with a smooth or slippery surface"
3 wins, 1 loss, = a dip or fall, not yet a slide.
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Isn't the line of thought "he's not the fastest, not the most effective, but he tries his best" the epitome of the woke criticism the saffas were accusing us of above?
What I do know is that if Dalton was on the blindside of the scrum in front of our line, he wouldn't have been brushed off like he was Terry Wright like the son of Todd was.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
just to say that maybe we dont have a vintage batch of loose forwards knocking around.
I think this is the key. We have a bunch of loose forwards similar to what Razor was a player actually - solid depth/placeholder loosies - but in no danger of pushing for a world XV.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
just to say that maybe we dont have a vintage batch of loose forwards knocking around.
I think this is the key. We have a bunch of loose forwards similar to what Razor was a player actually - solid depth/placeholder loosies - but in no danger of pushing for a world XV.
That's interesting, it could well be that we just don't have the best players.
While that may be the foremost reason, my current opinion is that we don't have the players we can select playing as a team as well as they can be. -
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life would be awesome to see him get a shot.
Maybe he will in preference to Lord
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@Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life would be awesome to see him get a shot.
Maybe he will in preference to Lord
With my current trust issues, I won't bat an eyelid if he replaces Darry.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The Crusaders have some shocking losses sprinkled through Razor's reign, but they were all forgotten as his teams had a very good habit of winning all of their finals, so he never really found out.
Perhaps you should just be thankful he actually won his finals games (17/17) and none of them fell under the shocking losses category (like Foster's all-time Super Rugby finals record 17-62 loss in 2009).
Razor coached 118 games in SR and you're telling us his team's not allowed a few shockers? In top level sport it's simply a matter of probability, like it's inevitable to have a few shockers especially if like Razor you are coaching the same club for 7 years.
btw he lost 16 games in total, 6 to Chiefs, 4 to Canes, 2 to Tahs, 2 to Landers, 1 to Blues, 1 to Drua.
I think in your eagerness to jump to Razor's defence you've missed the wider point
In a comp like Super Rugby you can afford to drop a few games as long as you come right at the business end
In test rugby every week is like a playoff.
Crusaders lost 4 games last year. Didn't matter.
If the ABs lose 4 games in a season there are alarm bells ringing (I know the season isn't the same number of games but you get the point).
I get the point, it doesn't seem a relevant criticism for Razor, he is after all the most successful coach in the history of NZ domestic rugby.
Seems a bit strange to expect every All Black coach to come into the job with a near perfect record at previous levels.
Henry for example had a more stacked Blues side than anything Razor had between 2017-23 and had a lower winning record (80%) than Razor (84%) lost finals games that Blues were favourites for.
You've got that back to front, it's not a criticism of Razor. The point relating to him is that he's never faced this type of pressure before as he had such a dream run in Super, so it will be interesting to see how he and the ABs respond this week, both selection wise and how we perform on the field.
So if Razor had worse credentials would you be calling for him to be the ABs coach?
