All Blacks v Argentina II
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Razor working out this week what a different animal this test coaching business is, especially in NZ.
Spend the first part of the campaign testing things and seeing what works and what doesn't? Fine, as long as you win, but you lose and the knives are out instantly. There is no goodwill.
And now this week, the players were chucked under the bus somewhat (which i find distasteful) so changes are afoot. BUT, if you assume some changes were in the pipeline this week anyway, he's now caught in another story. Absolutely anyone not playing this week will be speculated to be dropped for performance, no matter what the coaches think. That's going to be tough to manage internally as well as externally.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Although I hear a couple of journos will ask in this weeks media conference.
I'd like them to ask about the lineout. When they're getting around to exits. Also if our backline is supposed to look like that when we have the ball.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
And now this week, the players were chucked under the bus somewhat (which i find distasteful) so changes are afoot. BUT, if you assume some changes were in the pipeline this week anyway, he's now caught in another story. Absolutely anyone not playing this week will be speculated to be dropped for performance, no matter what the coaches think. That's going to be tough to manage internally as well as externally.
The spectre of captaincy too since he didn't manage to get the players to do what they'd been practising...
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Although I hear a couple of journos will ask in this weeks media conference.
I'd like them to ask about the lineout. When they're getting around to exits. Also if our backline is supposed to look like that when we have the ball.
What was sadly amusing is that our most inexperienced lock goes off the field and our lineout goes to shit. Just a whole lot of players standing around shouting "Yours!!! Yours!!" No-one put their hand up to lead, appaling.
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Caught out badly for pace and positioning on D for two tries.
The first one and the tap back from Reece.
Riekos pace papers over a lot of cracks.
Personally I think ALB will be catnip for the Springboks.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I also think ALB played pretty damm well and deserves another chance. I notice Ioane came on as a sub and did precicely nothing at all the entire time he was on the field.
Not sure RI had any chances to do anything
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Caught out badly for pace and positioning on D for two tries.
yep. And could'nt recover.
Could have been pattern to have him shoot up, but it didn't work and looked horrific
It was turnover ball and he was waving his arms in midfield like a lad marshalling a 737 onto stand. Then when they went inside him it looked like he was running in treacle trying to chase back.
I think what we are all getting sucked into this new philosophy of “I don’t think X did too badly”. Not doing too badly isn’t good enough.
This is the fucking Allblacks.
You need to be stellar
There are much better players out there who only got 20,30,40 caps and were put out to pasture.
ALB is two seasons away from being a centurion. And he has done fuck all. I was sick of him in 2019. We have gone through a pandemic , a Russian invasion and a presidential assassination since then, and he is still here and still mediocre.
Get him gone for fuck sake.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Caught out badly for pace and positioning on D for two tries.
The first one and the tap back from Reece.
Riekos pace papers over a lot of cracks.
Personally I think ALB will be catnip for the Springboks.
Fair enough insights, yes getting done for pace in the midfield is never a good look.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Caught out badly for pace and positioning on D for two tries.
The first one and the tap back from Reece.
Riekos pace papers over a lot of cracks.
Personally I think ALB will be catnip for the Springboks.
Fair enough insights, yes getting done for pace in the midfield is never a good look.
Im not having a pop at you by the way just pointing out that we all seem to be more acceptant of “ah he was grand” “ah he gave it a go”. The malaise is even seeping into the fans psyches too. We aren’t even angry any more. Sooialo was ran out of town after Rustenburg. Ben Blair got one tour and was ushered out the back door. Lauaki had a nightmare cameo where he threw a a game with a comedy of errors. That was the end of him.
We seem to be really reticent to give new kids on the block a chance too. When did we become so meek. If you’re good enough you are old enough. The likes of Beaudy and Ardie need benching not just as a message to them but as a message to everyone else. There is a new sheriff in town and first he will get rid of the unwilling . Then he will get rid of the unable.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Some good stuff in here but I wish they'd cut out the corporate management speak
Synergies
EngagementThey are fucking insufferable.
Honestly, the documentaries and books (“legacy”) and sweeping the dressing room and no dickheads policy has gone to their heads.
“Good people make good Allblacks”
Good rugby players make good Allblacks you clowns.
We could do with a few dickheads in the team and in the coaching box if you ask me.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Some good stuff in here but I wish they'd cut out the corporate management speak
Synergies
EngagementI tell you what, once we put all this stuff we have learnt over the last few years into practice we are going to be unstoppable !
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@Unite said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Some good stuff in here but I wish they'd cut out the corporate management speak
Synergies
EngagementI tell you what, once we put all this stuff we have learnt over the last few years into practice we are going to be unstoppable !
You know what really teaches players to learn that what they did wasn’t up to scratch.
Dropping them.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I'd like to see the captain and vice captain have a serious response this week and lead from the front this week.
I'd like to see them lead from the bench, at best.
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Saveas time is done for me his work rate is poor now he floats in and out of the game too much.
His captaincy is just not there under pressure we have nothing from the Captain.
TJ is done as well. We need the young HBs in, both are running threats which we need.
I hope we see some hard selections being made this week. -
I didn't watch as I had a 50th - and I haven't watched the replay yet. So having scrolled this thread for about 12 minutes, I feel perfectly placed to select a team for redemption.
You're welcome.
- De Groot
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Darry
- Vaii (50/50 with Patrick)
- Finau
- Cane (or Paps, I don't really care)
- Ardie (hooked for Sititi early if not playing out of his skin)
- Ratima
- Dmac
- Clarke
- ALB
- Ioane
- Jordan
- Jordie B (yes sir)
Happy to have helped out guys, see you in a week.
