All Blacks 2024
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Reflecting on the squad, the tight forwards are about as strong as they could be.
Likewise, the backs are fine, albeit one could quibble around the fringes.
However, the SEVEN loose forwards are a dog's breakfast! Four who were principally sevens at their franchises, none of whom are recognised fetchers. ONE which is a top class lineout operator. ONE big hard hitter, TWO short no. 8s. Jacks of all trades but master of none.
Looking at forwards as a whole, Blues were by far the best pack in Super rugby and manage to provide only four of the 20 forwards in the squad.
Calling Jerome Kaino?
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024:
fetchers
Not sure that's been a thing since early MCaw
It's not that the game changed as many NZers like to claim, it's that we didn't have any decent ones for a while. In fact the only half decent one in a long time was Lachlan Boshier. and Ardie to some extent I guess, but he hasn't been playing 7.
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given the squad, what would be the team to guarantee the most melts on here?
EdG
Taylor
Lomax
Patty T
Darry
Blackadder
Cane
Jacobson
TJP
DMac
Telea
ALB
Proctor
Jordan
PerofetaBell
Newell
Williams
Finau
DP
Hotham
Havili
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@mariner4life put BB at 10
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i tried to not make too many outlandish calls. Dave jumping two guys to get the 12 jersey is a bit much. People would rant less and genuinely wonder if the coaches have lost their minds.
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I would rather Havili starting at 2nd-5 than Beauden starting at 1st-5.
But your loose forwards don't trigger me, because while all the players are good, most of the alternative arrangements of them are not.
Starting Jordan at fullback would trigger a few people.
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nah, watching the incumbent get dropped will send the Blues contingent off the edge far more than Proctor not getting his call up.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024:
I would rather Havili starting at 2nd-5 than Beauden starting at 1st-5.
But your loose forwards don't trigger me, because while all the players are good, most of the alternative arrangements of them are not.
Starting Jordan at fullback would trigger a few people.
I’ll tag @Bones so he sees it
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
You need Ioane at centre, the Canes faction will break the internet on their own with the omission of Proctor the Great.
Haha, trolling! Even Canes4life would say Ioane deserves to start. He's the incumbent and has done nothing massively wrong to deserve to be dropped. If Proctor does make the bench I would be surprised
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
You need Ioane at centre, the Canes faction will break the internet on their own with the omission of Proctor the Great.
Haha, trolling! Even Canes4life would say Ioane deserves to start. He's the incumbent and has done nothing massively wrong to deserve to be dropped. If Proctor does make the bench I would be surprised
You sure about that ?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
You need Ioane at centre, the Canes faction will break the internet on their own with the omission of Proctor the Great.
Haha, trolling! Even Canes4life would say Ioane deserves to start. He's the incumbent and has done nothing massively wrong to deserve to be dropped. If Proctor does make the bench I would be surprised
You sure about that ?
I think he even said as much a while back. He'll be over in a while and can speak for himself
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I think for loose forwards:
6 : Papali'i
7 : Cane
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024:
I would rather Havili starting at 2nd-5 than Beauden starting at 1st-5.
far out short memories people. Havili looked great at 12 against 'lighter' teams, but got smoked when the physicality went up. He hasn't changed. You'll get the same outcome.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024:
I would rather Havili starting at 2nd-5 than Beauden starting at 1st-5.
far out short memories people. Havili looked great at 12 against 'lighter' teams, but got smoked when the physicality went up. He hasn't changed. You'll get the same outcome.
Except for that game in SA, the game that saved Fozzie from the axe
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I'm not suggesting Havili would be a good choice for 2nd-5. We are picking a trigger team, after all. However he did at least look great sometimes.
Meanwhile the moment Beauden stopped playing #10 our play improved significantly against all teams. Him moving back would be hugely triggering for me. It's just my opinion, but I never want to see him play #10 in black except in extreme emergencies.
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he might be right. The big change between the Irish series and SA #1 to SA #2 was the coaches finally realising BB was 100% cooked as a first 5, and fucking him off for good.
