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    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:

    To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.

    Kinda, but not really. We need one for the bench at most, not both of them, and ALB has a far better record.

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    @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:

    To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.

    ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.

    Not as a 12 he's not.

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    @Mr-Fish

    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:

    To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.

    ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.

    Not as a 12 he's not.

    Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.

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    A change of style for their halfbacks (i.e., more of a running threat) is why Christie wasn't selected.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350359141/finlay-christie-pays-price-all-blacks-embrace-noah-hotham-run-first-halfback

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    @Bovidae have to assume Christie was told of the desire to run more and wasn't able to do what they needed from him?

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    @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Mr-Fish

    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:

    To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.

    ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.

    Not as a 12 he's not.

    Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.

    ALB can play anywhere he wants after that quarter final performance....

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    @JayCee said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Mr-Fish

    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:

    To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.

    ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.

    Not as a 12 he's not.

    Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.

    ALB can play anywhere he wants after that quarter final performance....

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    he seems to have really improved his defensive efforts ,

    I can remember at some point when he first came in , thinking it was a potential weakness ( maybe around the lions tour ? )

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    @taniwharugby The articles says Christie has been sent back to Ta$man with some work-ons.

    “We’ve told Fin to go back to Ta$man and continue to work on his game, have high energy and be instinctive around his attacking game. We’ve given him some work-ons,

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    The problem for Finlay is he's never been much of a sniper - I find it hard to believe that he will be able to develop that aspect of his game enough to overtake those in front of him.

    By comparison Hansen's comments about Hotham's running game were illustrative

    “He was close to the team to start with … with the point of difference around his running game. He’s not a halfback you need to tell ‘run’ … he finds it through instinct. They’re the uncoachable bits in his game. Against Fiji you saw he changed our point of attack, and what that looked like – will we attack differently due to that?
    
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    @JayCee the thing I remember most about that final 20+ phases is both ALB and Whitelock covering a bit of ground and making some important tackles.

    ALB was basically playing on the wing too.

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    @nzzp

    Yeah.
    Hansen had run out of ideas by then. He had no answer to the rush defence.
    Then they replaced him with someone who had probably even less!
    The rush defence - stopping the high tempo, high skill style that gives us the edge over everyone else.
    We have been forced into the NH style.
    Starting to get better at that, but hopefully Robertson will come up with something.
    Open the game planning right up if he can.

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    @KiwiMurph particularly as it is often instinctive, that said, Christie seems to have great instincts on defence and seems to be able to read that aspect of the game, whether he can do that going forward is another matter.

    I think the Blues 2022 (year immediately after he made the AB's) he was very good, seemed both sides of his game had improved, but regressed on attack.

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    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

    Are we ever going to get an injury update on Samisoni Taukei’aho?

    Word is he was seen in a moon boot as he had surgery on his Achilles so likely out for months.

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    It's a little strange to hear we want sniping halfbacks after selecting TJ and Christie initially.
    Christie is a defensive halfback.
    TJ is a defensive halfback who is also a good support runner.
    Fakatava is a running halfback. Ratima too, if slightly less so, and I haven't seen enough of Hotham to comment.
    If that's what we wanted, why pick the two experienced guys?
    I understand Roigard is considered #1, and picking one experienced halfback with him out is fine - but why pick two experienced guys who don't play the style you want? Problem solved anyway I suppose, though it's TJ I would have dropped personally.

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    @1kiwi said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

    Are we ever going to get an injury update on Samisoni Taukei’aho?

    Word is he was seen in a moon boot as he had surgery on his Achilles so likely out for months.

    You usually fear the worst when there is no news.

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    it's possible Ratima will have kicked on and Roigard will have a real fight on his hands.

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:

    @reprobate

    it's possible Ratima will have kicked on and Roigard will have a real fight on his hands.

    He looks very good. But if Cam returns close to 100% he is the total package

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:

    @reprobate

    it's possible Ratima will have kicked on and Roigard will have a real fight on his hands.

    I hope so, I hope that's the same for all our players!

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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:

    @JayCee the thing I remember most about that final 20+ phases is both ALB and Whitelock covering a bit of ground and making some important tackles.

    ALB was basically playing on the wing too.

    ALB was an essential cog in that defence. They'd obviously completely deciphered the Paddies'attacking code: cris-cross, run at gaps close, repeat, then "all of a sudden" go wide as a "surprise". ALB's job was to anticipate that go-wide and shut it down. He did.

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    @booboo said in All Blacks 2024:

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:

    @JayCee the thing I remember most about that final 20+ phases is both ALB and Whitelock covering a bit of ground and making some important tackles.

    ALB was basically playing on the wing too.

    ALB was an essential cog in that defence. They'd obviously completely deciphered the Paddies'attacking code: cris-cross, run at gaps close, repeat, then "all of a sudden" go wide as a "surprise". ALB's job was to anticipate that go-wide and shut it down. He did.

    He's a hugely under-appreciated player IMO. He's been buggered about since his debut and shuffled between 12, 13 and the bench to accommodate some other player the coach rated for a few weeks. Think his metier now is as the sub you can totally rely on to get the job done.

    That he stuck with NZ rather than take the foreign gold speaks volumes and I suspect the coaches love his attitude. Fully deserves to get his 100 caps

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