All Blacks vs England 2
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@taniwharugby England didn't win a test in New Zealand but they are building nicely on and off the field. I think they are easily going to be in the top 4 or 5 sides in the world in the next few years and if they can sort out their scrum and improve their bench, the sky's the limit.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@taniwharugby England didn't win a test in New Zealand but they are building nicely on and off the field. I think they are easily going to be in the top 4 or 5 sides in the world in the next few years and if they can sort out their scrum and improve their bench, the sky's the limit.
Pretty sure England was #5 after RWC and still is.
Sounds like some of the fern expected 20+point win with flawless execution...
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@Daffy-Jaffy Steve Borthwick very impressive there. I thought his line about not putting limits on his team was a good one.
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@Mattasaurus I expected what we got. A tough series against one of the top sides in the world.
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@African-Monkey where is the Papali’i had a great test rhetoric coming from? The stats say he made 10 tackles, which is passable but a minimum really, and had 4 runs for 9 meters. Hardly great. The loose trio as a whole has been very disappointing over the two tests and changes are needed. Also at centre where Ioane making 4 tackles total, missing 2 of them and running for 15 meters, needs to go as well.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Take out Scott, Jordie and Beauden we would have lost.
100%So take out three key players of the night in any team and they would be far worse. That sort of how it always goes.
Take out Marcus Smith and England would have scored about 6 points! They were not getting anything against our front-on defence, which is a splendid improvement.
We played with a calmness that has been absent for much of the last few years. Even when behind, we didn't start throwing miracle balls or start chip-kicking constantly. We trusted our defence and -- Taylor aside -- didn't try to win balls at rucks that weren't there for the taking.
Some of the selections will take a while to sort out, but I am very pleased with the better mental side of things.
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@Stag said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@African-Monkey where is the Papali’i had a great test rhetoric coming from? The stats say he made 10 tackles, which is passable but a minimum really, and had 4 runs for 9 meters. Hardly great. The loose trio as a whole has been very disappointing over the two tests and changes are needed. Also at centre where Ioane making 4 tackles total, missing 2 of them and running for 15 meters, needs to go as well.
Sometimes it's about what tackles you're making, not the total. He's made 25+ in games which has had no effect on games. If you're suggesting that quantity is more important than quality in terms of tackle numbers, lets just pick good ol' Tom Christie then. I agree, the loosies are out of sync, but I feel that continuity is needed there.
Rieko Ioane is the least of our problems currently. Why are we looking at his tackle stats? He didn't make any glaring misses out there. You clearly just don't like Blues players (which Crusaders fan does in fairness) if you're worrying about those 2 out of the whole thing.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs England 2:
We played with a calmness that has been absent for much of the last few years.
We were anything but calm in the first 60 minutes. It was an error-strewn performance up with the worst of the the Ireland series.
And if the dual playmaker gambit and bringing BB on hadn't worked so well, the number of miracle passes would have been up with the number of crap AB lineouts.
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Many on here reminisce about the virtues of the great passers in days gone by.
Bruce Robertson, Conrad Smith, Tana Umaga spring to mind ...
There's no way we are going to dominate tier 1 nations in the next year or two in the forward battle.
Play to our strengths.
Ratima/ Roigard - DMac - JB are all quick of mind and foot. We need a centre that distributes well and quick wingers. -
@sparky said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Daffy-Jaffy Steve Borthwick very impressive there. I thought his line about not putting limits on his team was a good one.
😂 He's fucking poke. Haha taken a team with potential to be in the top five, into the top five....maybe. All sorts of talent, under a steady regime and struggled to get parity against a team under a brand new coach for ten days that spilled eleventy million opportunities.
I really don't get the fawning over Borthwick, it's bizarre, he's done sweet fuck all with the most resourced team in the world.
A top tier team would have put us to the sword with that amount of crucial errors.
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I have to say that I really thought that BB was past his sell by date. I just watched the game again and to say the he turned the game for us is an understatement. He may have lost a yard or 2 of pace but the game management when he came on was fantastic. I sound like a fan boy but at 60 I have been watching and playing rugby all my life and that performance from BB was special, one of the best that I have seen in recent times. Anyway enough said and fuck we need the experience players to step up and share their wealth. Hats off to Ratima also. Not bad for a first cap. I C a bright future. time for bed me thinks. Been up for quite a while watching here in North America. Roll on the Rugby Championship.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Sotutu didn’t get selected because of his lack of ability on “both” sides of the ball….
So goodness knows how Telea stays in based on this…..some appalling defensive work from him.
Easy answer: different selectors.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
How awesome is it to have a coach that actually answers questions? Razor winning there I think
They both appeared a bit confused when the reporters started their questions with "Scott".
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:
We were anything but calm in the first 60 minutes. It was an error-strewn performance up with the worst of the the Ireland series.
Our lineout was appalling, but other than that we were not "error strewn".
We didn't drop a lot of ball forward (including taking all the high kicks they put up). Our scrum was stable. We didn't give away heaps of penalties. We didn't miss heaps of tackles and they made almost no line breaks.
We took some wrong options, but no-one ever gets them all right. We didn't make many yards with the forwards, but that isn't an error.
Every test has errors because of the pressure they are under, but in the key areas of not dropping ball or dropping tackles we were much improved over the start of the last few years.
Some people on this forum seem to think that not only should the ABs be the best, that they should be perfect too.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Why does Scott Barrett do that half-arsed chargedown attempt at every single oppo ruck box-clearance? I don't feel like he's got one since 1993 and it just leaves him late to the next phase
Because he puts 100% into everything. He is the Richie McCaw of this team. Huge motor.
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As an aside, I think we need to scrap one of the following:
English version of our anthem
Maori version of our anthem
The HakaI love me a good haka, but after we've had 5 minutes of our 2 anthems it comes over as too much.
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@taniwharugby I'm a fan of alternating English and Maori versions. Shortens it up nicely
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@Stag said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Also at centre where Ioane making 4 tackles total, missing 2 of them and running for 15 meters, needs to go as well.
This can be misleading without looking at those 'miss' tackles especially with the way Rieko defends. Rieko uses his speed to fly up and across in defence which often forces the attack to get funnelled another way - it may count as a 'miss' but it's often deliberate and good defending
Having said that - I'm keen to see Proctor unleashed in test footy.
