All Blacks vs England 2
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Savea, Sititi and Paps is the loose forward trio for me.
Sititi has the energy.
Massive work rate. Look at his super numbers and it’s insane.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Savea, Sititi and Paps is the loose forward trio for me.
I think Savea got one big turnover at the end? Why cant he do that off the bench?
I thought that was Aumua
Yeah it was Aumua.
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England getting better respect today ... bloody good team. Itoje was massive.
Would like to see a change at 6...not going to lose anything by trying others. Also wouldn't mind seeing Procter start with ALB on bench.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Dalton is a 6 in 7 clothing, we don't have a fully functioning 6 or 7 (perhaps because Dalton is doing all the tackling), Patty isn't up to it, injury or being up against Itoje, Perofeta/BB double act working, and we actually have a winger problem! I thought Ioane played well and when he went off JB's game went downhill. Not sure what is happening there. We have such a good bench scrumming team now but those lineouts may have worsened since test 1. I'm not looking at Razor for lost sheen but Ryan.
Camera just panned on JB and he had a pack on his leg and clarat pouring out of his head. Reckon maybe he should have been pulled instead of Ioane. Was completely farked. Still bad misses though.
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England is a very well-trained team, competent and aggressive across most forward aspects, attacking lineout and some dangerous backs. Fitness seems to have improved. I'm not sure where that leaves us judging the ABs-some players looked very average and I am not sure that was just because England are so competitive. I also thought there were frailties in the English backline it took BB to unravel...
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Finau will find his feet. All good 6s take time. Kaino took a long time to be Kaino.
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Good win!!! Under the pump and the bench changes it. Vaai is the guy. BBarrett is not dead yet, ratima showed what we can look like with quick ball.
The loosies are a mess. Dalton fucking good tonight. Finau in this state is worthless. Problem is he's the only fucking tall loosie we picked so yeah, fuck the lineout I guess. They're not important anyway aye?
Huge work ons everywhere. Backline is disjointed at first phase and open field. Defense still so passive!!
Still, great win over a good side. 2-0 is a nice result
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Great Test match and a win is a win but that was dire from the ABs. Error-strewn and clueless from minutes 0-60. Completely outplayed in the lineout and our defence out wide was awful. Kudos to England. Played with huge heart and seem to be the sort of opponents you can actually like.
Thanks fuck for the scrum and the new blokes who've come along in the last few years - they really saved our bacon.
This is a v. good England team which is going to get better, but Robertson had better get his coaching - esp. Ryan- and selection sorted out PDQ. While it's fair criticism to say Ratima was forced on him, at least he had the common-sense to revert to Foster's duel playmaker setup when things were going haywire.
Never believed the wunderkind shit around Robertson, and expected/accepted some ups and downs as he developed players and game-plans, but nothing this poor with a group of pretty established players.
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Most telling statement tonight from Scooter
In game adaptability
Executing one game plan well is hard enough, winning using plan B is where good teams become great teams
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These first few tests are about learning... what concerns me, is we simply don't have the cattle in certain positions. A lot of it will correct itself by the time 2027 rolls around, namely lock and the loose forwards, but for the time being it is a bit of a shambles.
First five to me is a major concern, start Beaudy please.
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The very poor pattern of out the back to a solo forward hitting it up might work in Super Rugby but it has no place in test rugby.
England keep it close to the ruck running off nine or forward to forward. You don’t see them passing well behind gainline for a league style hit up.
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Razor will have to learn fast that top level tests are not Super Rugby. He got an early taste back when the Crusaders didn't fire a shot on the Lions tour match, but I'm not sure if he's learnt the lesson yet... Bledisloe will tell.
We are so loose, when Perofeta ran from his line when he had plenty of time to kick I think he showed what the game plan was.
That’s going to fail spectacularly eventually.
Out forwards are making hardly any metres as well, maybe Patrick a few times. Nothing around the ruck to suck in the defence.
Also took until BB coming on to move the team around the field like a real ten.
