All Blacks vs England I
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@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England I:
have basically spent the last 5 years tearing my hair out watching england, no obvious future talent, no obvious tactics, no obvious commitment to the grunt, let alone any ambition to put people through gaps.
Bloody Borthwick has given me a sniff of optimism in the last 3 games, we have some genuine prospective talent around, Martin and Itoje in the second row, our back row looks class with Earl in form, our halfback is starting to look like he can play rugby, we have a centre combination, our wingers are quick, our full back has changed from a lumbering chap who's good under the high ball to a guy who two years ago i wouldn't have picked for a local club side but has put on some weight and has improved out of sight.
Playing in NZ will be a fascinating test for them, i hope they enjoy it, i hope they turn up. I have no real knowledge of the new ABs in the squad and don't know how much of a reset this really is, but playing in NZ is always bloody hard.
As they say, its the hope that kills you
I think you'll recognize most of the key players from the RWC.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England I:
Genuinely looking forward to this one. This game is right up there at an interest level comparable to the 2023 WC.
Razor and co have nowhere to hide, this is it.
If we lose, this place will erupt into flame, currently smouldering at the moment. So many cross winds.
Huge.A loss in the 1st Test would be an embarrassment after all the hype, that's for sure. Personally wouldn't read too much into it, but the memes posted will be something to see...
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Certainly going to answer a lot of questions.
Hoping for a Ratima-DMac combo. -
No Aaron Smith, Mo’unga, Retallick, Whitelock, Sam Cane, that’s about 540 test matches of experience goneski. We got this Razor…
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England I:
No Aaron Smith, Mo’unga, Retallick, Whitelock, Sam Cane, that’s about 540 test matches of experience goneski. We got this Razor…
Oh sure just pretend Frizzel doesn't exist
And Coles...
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England I:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England I:
No Aaron Smith, Mo’unga, Retallick, Whitelock, Sam Cane, that’s about 540 test matches of experience goneski. We got this Razor…
Oh sure just pretend Frizzel doesn't exist
And Coles...
They were going to be part of
excuseperfectly reasonable explanation #2 -
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England I:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England I:
No Aaron Smith, Mo’unga, Retallick, Whitelock, Sam Cane, that’s about 540 test matches of experience goneski. We got this Razor…
Oh sure just pretend Frizzel doesn't exist
And Coles...
Who?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England I:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England I:
No Aaron Smith, Mo’unga, Retallick, Whitelock, Sam Cane, that’s about 540 test matches of experience goneski. We got this Razor…
Oh sure just pretend Frizzel doesn't exist
And Coles...
Who?
Frizzel-like a suitcase but a little bit more violent.
Coles-like a supermarket but a little bit more dirty. -
Yes, you are right it would be.
Especially under the roof in Dunners. Which should give ideal conditions for us.
#bringbackFoz
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs England I:
Yes, you are right it would be.
Especially under the roof in Dunners. Which should give ideal conditions for us.
#bringbackFoz
If we're gonna lose it's probbly going to be the 1st Test. Personally, I think the RC & EOYT are more important.
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Going to be interesting, thought the poms looked ok v Japan ,
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Yes, the 1st test is when we will be vulnerable. We have really made it hard for ourselves given the short turnaround between the super final and the 1st test.
Not making excuses for Razor, this is the type of challenge he should thrive on.
This series is more important than the eoyt imo. We only have to see what the fallout was like after losing to Ireland in NZ to get a sense of what it will be like. We don’t need a developing crisis for a new mgmt team 2 tests into their reign
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England I:
It will be interesting to see what differences they attempt to instil from the Fozzie era.
Desire hopefully.
There were times under Foster when they didn't seem to care that much. Then when it counted at the RWC they showed up mentally. I'm hoping Razor can get that passion out of them for every match like he seemed to with the 'saders for 7 years in a row.
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We (NZ) do seem to have an aversion to warm up games don't we? The Black Caps think they are not needed, despite their performances, and I've noticed the days of the ABs playing the Island nations to start the season seem to be over as well. Why would we do that to ourselves?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs England I:
We (NZ) do seem to have an aversion to warm up games don't we? The Black Caps think they are not needed, despite their performances, and I've noticed the days of the ABs playing the Island nations to start the season seem to be over as well. Why would we do that to ourselves?
Totally agree
An AB vs AB IX would be fun to watch and serve as a warmup.
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@Darren said in All Blacks vs England I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs England I:
We (NZ) do seem to have an aversion to warm up games don't we? The Black Caps think they are not needed, despite their performances, and I've noticed the days of the ABs playing the Island nations to start the season seem to be over as well. Why would we do that to ourselves?
Totally agree
An AB vs AB IX would be fun to watch and serve as a warmup.
They might be worried about injuries? But I'd also like to see one...
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England I:
It will be interesting to see what differences they attempt to instil from the Fozzie era.
Quite a few according to Leon.
Seems quite challenging to transition to a new defensive system. You only need a bit of confusion in what someone is supposed to be doing and the whole thing falls apart.
