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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    A lot of our loonies seem to be able to cover multiple positions, Savea (think he's maybe available?), Blackadder (injury permitting), Papaalii, Jacobsen ... others)

    It'd be quicker to list the genuine specialists: Christie, Sotutu.. not many others

    Reckon Kirifi has as much upside as Christie.

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    @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Flanders

    Meh

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Dan54 not picking Vaai at 6 would be a good start

    The season where he was actually playing there for the chiefs, he was starting to look much better than he does playing lock. But then you definitely need a Jacobson type at 8 or 7 - someone who's actually going to hit hard and not just be a ruck inspector or fall over when they get there.

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    It’s astonishing really that we have only have 1 test class lock in NZ currently.

    Lord is test class he just needs to stay fit. He was excellent vs Argies in B.A. last year.

    The second half of the Bok friendly is my reference point.

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    Is William Harmon too old to be in the mix?

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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    And it could be he just does not think the players left in NZ are good enough in some positions.

    Robertson knew the policy on overseas players when he took on the job. If he didn't have a good idea of the quality of players left in NZ and available to him, that's no different from any new AB coach.

    He's got 4 years and should just get on with what he's paid to do.

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    @ruggabee Haven’t watched him specifically, but given speed of Chiefs’s ruck ball Kaylum Boshier must be doing something very right.

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    And it could be he just does not think the players left in NZ are good enough in some positions.

    Robertson knew the policy on overseas players when he took on the job. If he didn't have a good idea of the quality of players left in NZ and available to him, that's no different from any new AB coach.

    He's got 4 years and should just get on with what he's paid to do.

    Whitelock might be keen to come home on his own which he has every right too. we only have media speculation that Razor is chasing him.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @ruggabee Haven’t watched him specifically, but given speed of Chiefs’s ruck ball Kaylum Boshier must be doing something very right.

    Or Cortez Ratima is...

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    It’s astonishing really that we have only have 1 test class lock in NZ currently.

    Lord is test class he just needs to stay fit. He was excellent vs Argies in B.A. last year.

    The second half of the Bok friendly is my reference point.

    Can't see how that's a reference point for anything other than how to make easy money and not destroy your players.

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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    we only have media speculation that Razor is chasing him.

    Which, to be fair, you were justifying. I don't know if Robertson is chasing or considering 35 year old retired locks for his team, but I certainly hope not. It's hardly forward-thinking, nor does it inspire confidence in squad development

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    we only have media speculation that Razor is chasing him.

    Which, to be fair, you were justifying. I don't know if Robertson is chasing or considering 35 year old retired locks for his team, but I certainly hope not. It's hardly forward-thinking, nor does it inspire confidence in squad development

    Maybe wants a vet to educate a couple of foreign (non-Chch) youngsters?

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    @pakman

    I would have thought that was the role of the forwards coaching setup. SW as a mentor, good idea.

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman

    I would have thought that was the role of the forwards coaching setup. SW as a mentor, good idea.

    Article I saw indicated TWM saw Sam as the lineout guru.

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    Let's not forget that Sam Cane is the incumbent captain and No 7...

    And in terms of lock/loosie combos, Samipeni Finau and Cullen Grace can both fit that role, alongside Scott Barrett.

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    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Cullen Grace can both fit that role

    Cullen needs to focus on playing well in one position.

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Cullen Grace can both fit that role

    Cullen needs to focus on playing well in one position.

    I think this is probably true of every player in the All Blacks right now. Moving a player between two different positions should really be an emergency option if injuries arise, it shouldn't be part of 'plan A'.

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    @Mr-Fish Cullen Grace is fucking shithouse and is the worst defender in NZ.

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    @Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Mr-Fish Cullen Grace is fucking shithouse and is the worst defender in NZ.

    If they move him to 6 and get him to focus on shifting bodies, he still has a future, but he’s shit right now.

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @pakman

    I would have thought that was the role of the forwards coaching setup. SW as a mentor, good idea.

    Hall on the rugby pod suggesting that it is a Razor strategy for getting a voice in the room who he trusts that can provide back room advice and mentoring.

    Hall has essentially said that at the end of the day it’s about his relationship with Razor.

    In some ways, I think that it’s great that Razor values his experience so much, but it’s also worrying that he doesn’t seem to be confident of developing that culture without a player who has left.

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