All Blacks 2024
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So 2 questions for the Fern collective:
Can we do better at 12 (if so, who?); and If so, what do we do with Jordie?You know JB is a bit of a conundrum of a player. He's got a lot of skills needed to be successful in several spots in the backline (bar the wing position), but there always seems to be a deficit in some area. At 15, he's good under the high ball and possesses a good boot, but he lacks the speed and cutting edge ito running. At 12, he has the size needed to get over the gain line (not quite Nonu or SBW level) and defensively he's ok, but lacks creativity. He can kick, but we hardly see him using that skillset these days. I also think his combination with Rieko isn't great tbh. Both are learning or relearning midfield play at test level, which isn't ideal.
So, either stick with JB at 12 and change his midfield partner sooner rather than later OR replace the whole midfield combo. More drastic would be to shift JB to 13, but I can't really remember how well he went at 13 back in the day. I only mention 13, bc JB has shown better judgement than Rieko (but that is admittedly a very low bar).
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I agree, I think m4L is overstating the fact we need to rebuild the pack.
We are looking pretty good outside of Locks. We have got 1 recognised test lock so we really need to develop 3/4 (including Lord/Vai’i ) up to test standard. The good news there are some promising young locks in the country.
At this point in time, the front row looks the strongest area for us. When you add S Barrett to it, we have 4 of our tight 5 in good Nick. It’s a pretty good foundation to build a pack around. And that’s before we mention we have the world player of the year behind them.
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Have a look at the back row that Razor picked for the 2021 Super Rugby Aotearoa Final.
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One of the things I am excited about is the way Razor was able to take a fairly young group of players, along with some established stars to win his first super rugby title.
It was impressive that he was able to mould a squad and team and bring them together.
It’s not too dissimilar to the ABs this year, there will be more established stars but lots of new faces where he can essentially do the same thing as his first Crusader season.
That’s another reason where I was dissapointed the overseas players rule is the one impression he has made in his new job and before he has watched any domestic rugby as a selector/coach
I’m confident he will be a success though!
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@Snowy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Have a look at the back row that Razor picked for the 2021 Super Rugby Aotearoa Final.
Grace was so good at 8 it's like there was two of him.
Can you imagine him AND Blackadder in the same loose trio ?
That’s the kind of team that could put 100 points on the Boks
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Have a look at the back row that Razor picked for the 2021 Super Rugby Aotearoa Final.
Was that the final they played where he wasn't allowed to select Savea?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Might be off-key for the Fern, but are we really happy with Jordie as our 12 for the next 4 years?
Don’t get me wrong, he was essential to our side last year. But let’s be realistic, the guy is pretty limited at that spot. He runs straight and fairly hard, but he doesn’t spot weak shoulders or target gaps, and he hasn’t put a single outside back into space in his career in black. He kicks ok, but surely that’s not the bar ?
So 2 questions for the Fern collective:
- Can we do better at 12 (if so, who?); and
- If so, what do we do with Jordie?
You're going to get flamed for this but you are 100% on point
And he froze on the big stage of the WC final tooThere's potential there though so I guess the hope is he continues to develop
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
The Way Razor has set up the selection of the squad is very good imo.
Having each coach responsible for the selection of certain positions.
The pointer to selection of the team is not all around Razor but where the other coaches will lean towards.five different selecting groups for one team. what could go wrong?
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
The Way Razor has set up the selection of the squad is very good imo.
Having each coach responsible for the selection of certain positions.
The pointer to selection of the team is not all around Razor but where the other coaches will lean towards.five different selecting groups for one team. what could go wrong?
Over seen by Razor and Wayne smith Nothing imo.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
The Way Razor has set up the selection of the squad is very good imo.
Having each coach responsible for the selection of certain positions.
The pointer to selection of the team is not all around Razor but where the other coaches will lean towards.five different selecting groups for one team. what could go wrong?
Over seen by Razor and Wayne smith Nothing imo.
time will tell. i would imagine its something that could work well till it doent.there are risks involved,if every group mot 100% aligned
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Might be off-key for the Fern, but are we really happy with Jordie as our 12 for the next 4 years?
Don’t get me wrong, he was essential to our side last year. But let’s be realistic, the guy is pretty limited at that spot. He runs straight and fairly hard, but he doesn’t spot weak shoulders or target gaps, and he hasn’t put a single outside back into space in his career in black. He kicks ok, but surely that’s not the bar ?
So 2 questions for the Fern collective:
- Can we do better at 12 (if so, who?); and
- If so, what do we do with Jordie?
You're going to get flamed for this but you are 100% on point
And he froze on the big stage of the WC final tooThere's potential there though so I guess the hope is he continues to develop
Froze is a bit harsh IMO. He kept getting battered because PSdT knew he had to take away his ability to get over the gain line, such was the predictability of our backline.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Might be off-key for the Fern, but are we really happy with Jordie as our 12 for the next 4 years?
Don’t get me wrong, he was essential to our side last year. But let’s be realistic, the guy is pretty limited at that spot. He runs straight and fairly hard, but he doesn’t spot weak shoulders or target gaps, and he hasn’t put a single outside back into space in his career in black. He kicks ok, but surely that’s not the bar ?
So 2 questions for the Fern collective:
- Can we do better at 12 (if so, who?); and
- If so, what do we do with Jordie?
You're going to get flamed for this but you are 100% on point
And he froze on the big stage of the WC final tooThere's potential there though so I guess the hope is he continues to develop
Froze is a bit harsh IMO. He kept getting battered because PSdT knew he had to take away his ability to get over the gain line, such was the predictability of our backline.
This.
It was all pattern and occasionally running loop plays for Mo'unga.
There wasn't much of setting up anyone else in space until Dmac started taking on the line later in the game and giving people a bit more room.
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I defy anyone to name another player in NZ who could have done a better job than JB at 12. Our failure to succeed was as much about the pattern we chose to play than anything. We departed from the game plan from the Ireland victory, for the second RWC in a row, and consequently came unstuck. IMHO he is a core backline piece, the question Razor will ask is who will play beside him
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I defy anyone to name another player in NZ who could have done a better job than JB at 12. Our failure to succeed was as much about the pattern we chose to play than anything. We departed from the game plan from the Ireland victory, for the second RWC in a row, and consequently came unstuck. IMHO he is a core backline piece, the question Razor will ask is who will play beside him
With Jason Holland selecting the MF,Billy Procter probably comes in to contention at 13.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I defy anyone to name another player in NZ who could have done a better job than JB at 12. Our failure to succeed was as much about the pattern we chose to play than anything. We departed from the game plan from the Ireland victory, for the second RWC in a row, and consequently came unstuck. IMHO he is a core backline piece, the question Razor will ask is who will play beside him
With Jason Holland selecting the MF,Billy Procter probably comes in to contention at 13.
Ioane has played well over the last year, but he doesn't distribute the ball to his outsides as a typical 13 should. Proctor had a very good SR season last year, he has a chance to pair up with JB again
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