All Blacks 2024
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@chchfanatic I can see the need for Whitelock or Retallick, but why bother with Leicester Fainga'anuku?
Sam Whitelock?
Holy fuck, so @chchfanatic Razor's plan is to turn us into Wales?
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
He will be asked this at every press conference going forward, especially if we lose some games.
Coaching Jesus's lose games? Not going to happen......
But seriously, I'll be pissed off if he brings it up time and again, or uses it as an excuse for a loss.
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@chchfanatic Let Sam Whitelock spend some time with his brother in France. As for Leicester, I suspect that things are about to get very crowded in the outside backs spots. So, perhaps it was a good decision for him to go.
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This feels like a pretty important 6 months for NZ rugby.
We've come off a pretty good WC campaign that fell only just short. We've lost some absolute greats of AB rugby. There's a new bloke at the helm. It's got "new dawn" written all over it. And am i right that it's England coming mid-year?
But there are question marks. We're extraordinarily shallow at the very top in most positions. The greats that have gone have left huge holes to fill. Most of the pack needs to be rebuilt. There is no established or experienced 10 options (short of reverting to a proven failure). And the finger of blame for this needs to be pointed at the Super Coaches, a couple of which are now in charge of the top team. This year really will show what our development pathways are made of. Are we still producers of talent? Can we still develop talent? There are legitimate question marks there.
Are the new coaches ready to move on from "not bad but not great" guys like BB, Taylor, and Cane or is this going to be a very soft and very slow revolution?
It could be fun. it could also be disappointing.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
And am i right that it's England coming mid-year?
Yes two Tests. Not an easy schedule
A tough draw in the RC with two away games in SA
EOYT I think has games against England, Ireland & France
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tough first year, and given the NZ rugby public is so very forgiving of losses, i expect even more conservative selecting.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
i expect even more conservative selecting
If things don’t go well I expect he’ll retreat to a Canterblacks side
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
i expect even more conservative selecting
If things don’t go well I expect he’ll retreat to a Canterblacks side
Sounds like he is already trying to import one.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
This feels like a pretty important 6 months for NZ rugby
I think it's an important to look at 12-18 months rather than 6 months
Henry/Hansen/Smith took until End of year Tour of their first year to really start sorting things out - intially they picked a few journeymen like Xavier Rush and Jono Gibbes before changing tack.
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Cattle-wise we're only okay really, not great - it could get pretty rough if we cop a couple of injuries to the wrong guys. Coach-wise - all the surf jesus 'oh but what if he fails' bullshit is nonsense - he's not the saviour, but at least he's a guy who has won consistently and has earned a shot. He won't have an easy ride, because he's lost several great and massively experienced players - our two best ever locks, and our best ever halfback, and our starting 10 - and that's the guts of a team. it's a rebuilding phase, which is fine. as long as we play some decent rugby and see some progress.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Cattle-wise we're only okay really, not great - it could get pretty rough if we cop a couple of injuries to the wrong guys. Coach-wise - all the surf jesus 'oh but what if he fails' bullshit is nonsense - he's not the saviour, but at least he's a guy who has won consistently and has earned a shot. He won't have an easy ride, because he's lost several great and massively experienced players - our two best ever locks, and our best ever halfback, and our starting 10 - and that's the guts of a team. it's a rebuilding phase, which is fine. as long as we play some decent rugby and see some progress.
This! It is a very inexperienced coaching line up at international level as well as a player drain but if we see innovation, a clear improvement/progress in areas that need it, I'll be happy. With Henry, when mistakes were made (e.g. trying to avoid lineouts vs Boks in 2009 for example), you could plainly see the correction process afterward.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack but Henry also almost got dumped, it was a bit of a miracle he didn't - because he didn't have an utter shit show preceding him. I think people are a lot more willing to give Jesus a bit of leeway because we've got used to poor performance. He might even be as good as Hart I reckon.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Are the new coaches ready to move on from "not bad but not great" guys like BB, Taylor, and Cane or is this going to be a very soft and very slow revolution?
It could be fun. it could also be disappointing.
FWIW, I think Robertson may well be quite conservative in his first year as he gets his feet under the table, and gets some experience of Test rugby. Would like to see some innovative selections/development plans, though, sooner rather than later
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
... there are question marks. We're extraordinarily shallow at the very top in most positions... Most of the pack needs to be rebuilt. There is no established or experienced 10 options (short of reverting to a proven failure).
It could be fun. it could also be disappointing.
Going to take issue with you re lack of depth and rebuild. Only in some positions.
Re the pack:
We've got the incumbent 2 x 2 (LH TH) best props from last year. Young but good already.
More depth? Would be good but we've got our game day sorted (sans injury).
Hooker: got the guy who was just about our best the year before last. Hopefully gets back to that.
More depth? Aumua (apparently busting out the the bench press ... ), Bell, but yes, looking for more here.
Lock: I'll agree here because after Scooter it's development. Lord I expect to step up. Vaa'i ... as much as I'm a fan ... jury is out. A spot we do need to build on.
Loosies: we're covered pretty well. Ardie, Dalton, Finau, Blackadder, Cane (some thought he may be back), Grace, Jacobsen. Sotutu, Ioane. Flanders ETC. But i can't imagine there's not a whole heap of young fullas lining up.Loosies don't worry me.
Half back: Roidgard & Christie for a start. Then let's consider Roe, Ratima, Hotham, Fakatava. And TJP if we're worried about experience.
10: you suggesting DMac is a failure? I don't buy that. His runs at 10 have generally been good.
After him though? Interesting times. Perofeta, Bergus Furke, and ... ?
Midfield: Barrett, Ioane, ALB, Havili, Ennor ... then Aumua ... then ...
Wings we're OK for.
The question is what we do at fullback, (Jordan) and what depth do we have there? Am fanboi of Sullivan.
In my opinion we have the basis of an extremely good squad, with room. For some exciting noobs.
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@booboo Agree about the solid depth.
I'd just make the following changes:
Lock: Invest in the younger, more physical players to partner S.Barret (Lord, Holland when he becomes eligible, and/or even Parkinson)
Halfback: Delete Christie
Midfield: Delete Ennor
I would add that most uncapped options at fullbacks are potentially much better at 15 than Beauden and some even have more strings to their bow than Jordan
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You'll see an improvement in game plan straight away. Key is a logical plan and fine detail.
The prof will then cast an eye over things. -
I'm hoping Roigard is another McCaw. Never thought I'd see a more effective 7 than Jones, but did, just.
