All Blacks 2024
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph yeah one thing that seemed fairly clear about Bridge was he had a great rugby brain, just didn't have the physical ability to keep up.
Can relate.
Really? His inability to even try to beat a player was extraordinary. He literally ran into contact while in space repeatedly
In his head, JK was jealous of the immense swerve he'd just completed.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Disagree with what Robertson is wanting to do, but good on him for articulating his views and pushing the envelope. He clearly understands/thinks there's gaps in the talent pool which he's concerned about. NZ Rugby needs a shake-up.
But, like any other AB Head Coach, he has to make the best of what's available and will be judged on that basis.
Except he made his case earlier, got shut down by NZR and is doing it again.
If there's gaps it's his job to fix them, with the talent available. If Fozzie can get the ABs to within a point of winning the final with NZ based players surely Coaching Jesus will walk it.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph yeah one thing that seemed fairly clear about Bridge was he had a great rugby brain, just didn't have the physical ability to keep up.
Can relate.
Really? His inability to even try to beat a player was extraordinary. He literally ran into contact while in space repeatedly
Yeah I think it’s one of the great Rugby cliches that all white outside backs have these amazing brains and vision to make up for their lack of physical gifts compared to the more explosive island players.
Total horseshit in Bridges case.
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I liked this part:
"They'll select them, I'll oversee it, and 'koro' Wayne Smith will come in and have a word, if he needs to," said Robertson. "They will be watching them, selecting them and giving them feedback.
"I want them to select them and take ownership of that. We'll always get someone to cast a second set of eyes to make sure they're on track."
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph yeah one thing that seemed fairly clear about Bridge was he had a great rugby brain, just didn't have the physical ability to keep up.
Can relate.
Really? His inability to even try to beat a player was extraordinary. He literally ran into contact while in space repeatedly
Yeah I think it’s one of the great Rugby cliches that all white outside backs have these amazing brains and vision to make up for their lack of physical gifts compared to the more explosive island players.
Total horseshit in Bridges case.
Except when you consider how successful a guy with seemingly very limited physical ability was and how he got his hands on the ball for some great tries at super level.
Which makes mn5 total horseshit.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph yeah one thing that seemed fairly clear about Bridge was he had a great rugby brain, just didn't have the physical ability to keep up.
Can relate.
Really? His inability to even try to beat a player was extraordinary. He literally ran into contact while in space repeatedly
Yeah I think it’s one of the great Rugby cliches that all white outside backs have these amazing brains and vision to make up for their lack of physical gifts compared to the more explosive island players.
Total horseshit in Bridges case.
Except when you consider how successful a guy with seemingly very limited physical ability was and how he got his hands on the ball for some great tries at super level.
Which makes mn5 total horseshit.
I must have missed all those in amongst the easy run ins.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph yeah one thing that seemed fairly clear about Bridge was he had a great rugby brain, just didn't have the physical ability to keep up.
Can relate.
Really? His inability to even try to beat a player was extraordinary. He literally ran into contact while in space repeatedly
Yeah I think it’s one of the great Rugby cliches that all white outside backs have these amazing brains and vision to make up for their lack of physical gifts compared to the more explosive island players.
Total horseshit in Bridges case.
Except when you consider how successful a guy with seemingly very limited physical ability was and how he got his hands on the ball for some great tries at super level.
Which makes mn5 total horseshit.
I must have missed all those in amongst the easy run ins.
The year he got something like 12 or 13 tries, the highlight reel was shocking. Like, system puts him in space, fall over line. He beat maybe three players?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Disagree with what Robertson is wanting to do, but good on him for articulating his views and pushing the envelope. He clearly understands/thinks there's gaps in the talent pool which he's concerned about. NZ Rugby needs a shake-up.
But, like any other AB Head Coach, he has to make the best of what's available and will be judged on that basis.
Except he made his case earlier, got shut down by NZR and is doing it again.
If there's gaps it's his job to fix them, with the talent available. If Fozzie can get the ABs to within a point of winning the final with NZ based players surely Coaching Jesus will walk it.
I really don't have much of a problem with him raising it again and think it's positive he's challenging the status quo.
Apart from that, we're saying pretty much the same thing. We'll see in a year or two if he's half as good as his fanbois have been telling us
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
People still want to see Jordan moved to a more involved position after his delightful showing in the RWC final? It was just a culmination of all his "rugby issues", kid needs a lot of work.
Be handy off the bench.
Yeah, I like Jordan as a player, but I thought Stevenson was the better allround fullback (esp with his boot). This season there will probably be even more competition for the 15 jersey.
I think Jordan's RWC final troubles (ito the ball-in hand side of things) stemmed from him being more of 'glider' (i.e. a player that spots or anticipates a gap and then glides through that gap) and the opposition being a man up (leaving few gaps). They actually needed a 'chainsaw' (ie. a player who creates his own gaps via vicious sidestepping at pace). Hell, even a power winger would have been more useful.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Disagree with what Robertson is wanting to do, but good on him for articulating his views and pushing the envelope. He clearly understands/thinks there's gaps in the talent pool which he's concerned about. NZ Rugby needs a shake-up.
But, like any other AB Head Coach, he has to make the best of what's available and will be judged on that basis.
Except he made his case earlier, got shut down by NZR and is doing it again.
If there's gaps it's his job to fix them, with the talent available. If Fozzie can get the ABs to within a point of winning the final with NZ based players surely Coaching Jesus will walk it.
How many overseas based players would have made the ABs when Fozzie was coach? Not many if any.
Now at least two world class players in Mounga and BBBR would walk into this team which is well short of world class talent. I can see why Razor is pushing for overseas based players, and as long as we limit it to only a couple of players, I'm ok with it. The alternative is having Tupou Vaa'i at lock.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
The alternative is having Tupou Vaa'i at lock.
I'd prefer an alternative of putting a player development plan in place so in 2 years time we have decent alternatives for most positions. That said, no problems with Robertson asking the question.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Disagree with what Robertson is wanting to do, but good on him for articulating his views and pushing the envelope. He clearly understands/thinks there's gaps in the talent pool which he's concerned about. NZ Rugby needs a shake-up.
But, like any other AB Head Coach, he has to make the best of what's available and will be judged on that basis.
Except he made his case earlier, got shut down by NZR and is doing it again.
If there's gaps it's his job to fix them, with the talent available. If Fozzie can get the ABs to within a point of winning the final with NZ based players surely Coaching Jesus will walk it.
How many overseas based players would have made the ABs when Fozzie was coach? Not many if any.
Now at least two world class players in Mounga and BBBR would walk into this team which is well short of world class talent. I can see why Razor is pushing for overseas based players, and as long as we limit it to only a couple of players, I'm ok with it. The alternative is having Tupou Vaa'i at lock.
I’d be far more on board with this idea if Mo’unga could kick the goals that count.
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Interesting test case.
Will players be keen to stick around now that Razor has seemingly decided he can’t win without Mo’unga?
You would think Burke has the inside running for at least the third spot in the team.
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@taniwharugby I'm all for the unknown, but I prefer new rather than retreads (returning players) tbh. One of the mistakes made during the previous TWO all black coaching regimes was selecting Beauden at 15 when he was no longer cutting at 10.
It's hard for me to foresee much improvement in those overseas players tbh.
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