Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s
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@Canes4life I hear what you're saying. Personally, I don't hate him and he hasn't done anything terrible in black imo, but his play doesn't grab my imagination. He's Mounga-Lite (and that's not really a compliment).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Assuming DMac and BB are available, Robertson has some breathing space at 10 to look at SR form, pick options and then develop them. Be good to think he'd be working with the SR coaches on the latter.
Perofeta is the most "experienced" (seems to have all but 10 seconds of AB game time) but my guess is also Rueben Love and Zarn Sullivan. Bryn Gatland if he returns? Not sold on Havili - maybe OK as a utility on the bench.
Same re Havili. He was always good coming off the bench as FB cover. First five is a marginally better fit for him than 2nd five, but I wouldn't bet the farm on that experiment... even at the Crusaders tbh.
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@Bovidae said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If Love isn't going to play 1st 5 for the Hurricanes he is no chance. In that case, Cameron would be ahead of him.
That's the whole thing with these candidates, super rugby game time is crucial.
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@MiketheSnow said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
I like the look of Aidan Morgan
I'm not really an Aidan Morgan fan. Always struck me as a bit small, but otoh Dmac is no giant. Only Zarn and Rivez have any sort of size advantage over the others. However, some folks don't like size at 10 at all.
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@Duluth said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@booboo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Do like the intent of this thread.
Personally I'm a fanboi of Zarn.
Just like the way he plays. And reckon he has a very high ceiling.
Not sure Super Rugby and AB coaches think the same
Did you watch much NPC? Zarn has a long way to go at ten. He's an AB quality fullback though
Lucas Cashmore might be ahead of him in the 10 rankings at the Blues (it's hard to guess with the changes in the coaching staff)
Damn it. Cashmore should've been in my original post tbh.
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@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader @Chris yeah I'm looking forward to him getting a proper go at ten, without Barrett in the mix.
You'd like to to think the AB & SR coaches are co-ordinated on where players play as well
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@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
flyhalf
A what? Take that talk over to GAGR…
@Bones I don’t mind Perofeta’s game overall but I’m not sure he’s a natural 1st 5 or has the instincts for the position. Prefer him at fullback.
Yet to see anything from Z. Sullivan that suggests he could play 1st 5 even at Super level. Like Perofeta, much prefer him at fullback.
GAGR... I haven't thought about that site in years. It still exists? I believe they would prefer the term "stand-off" or "pivot" 😂
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader @Chris yeah I'm looking forward to him getting a proper go at ten, without Barrett in the mix.
You'd like to to think the AB & SR coaches are co-ordinated on where players play as well
Hopefully a bit easier for that to happen from next year.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
You'd like to to think the AB & SR coaches are co-ordinated on where players play as well
The SR coaches will do what is best for their team, and Robertson can't complain as he did exactly the same thing.
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@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@MiketheSnow said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
I like the look of Aidan Morgan
You are on a mission since last year to prove yourself as an awful judge of kiwi 10s eh 😬 he's been in pretty bad form this year and has fallen well outta favour.
100%, and he has the kicking ability of a school kid.
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@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
I don't understand the concern around Perofeta, was he poor in NPC or something? He got fuck all chance in the ABs, I'd prefer to see him at least given a proper try, rather than scraps when the coaches have shown zero confidence in him.
If he can settle in at test level I really like his game style.
I was at Lions/Blues game in 2017 looking forward to seeing this young kid Perofata everyone was talking about. Now I been in the Naki and going to games all the time, and seeing Perofeta, I afraid I still waiting. Though I will say if he gets a good run at 10 for the super season, he may show us by the end. I still think at best he will be serviceable 10 at test level, but will add I would love to be proved wrong. (again
)By the way good thread.
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I think DMac, Beauden Barrett and Stephen Perofeta will all get game time at 10 for the All Blacks in 2024. I am not sure we need to look beyond that yet. Another Super Season or two should be enough time for a couple of other guys to show they can be a playmaker at the top level.
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DMac and BB are shoe-in's and the third will be however stands up during SR, Perofeta didn't even get time at 10 for the Naki so it's hard to push for a spot at higher honor's if your not even playing in that position (though to be fair that didn't seem to stop AB coach's in the past...)
All in all I'm not too worried, someone will put their hand up in SR - exactly who? I have no idea but I'm sure someone will
What I do want however is that for whoever is picked at 10 to actually be a 10, play at 10 during SR and prove that they are in the AB's as their form at 10 demands that they be picked there. I am sick of utility, odds and sods and "out of position" players flittering around the fringes all season and then being thrust into the team in a key position at international level and expected to do well.
The above I believe is arrogance on our part, it over rates our players ability, underrates the oppositions ability and my goodness, hasn't that attitude bitten us on the ass in the past.
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@Windows97 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Perofeta didn't even get time at 10 for the Naki
3 starts at 10 plus he moved from fullback to 10 later in a lot games
Him playing at 15 was more about getting him and Jacomb on the field at the same time
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@Windows97 Perofeta will get his shot at 10 for the Blues to show whether or not he will make the ABs grade.
My gut says Fergus Burke will have a strong finish to Super Rugby and snatch an AB shirt.
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I hope the Canes will give Godfrey plenty of time at 10. He has all the attributes of a good 10, but he only got the starts there for Hurricanes U20. He was named player of the tournament for a good reason, but before he got injured, he started at fullback in the NPC. For NZ U20s, he also started at fullback and was then moved to 10 when they took Kemara off. Each time, that was an improvement. I want to know whether he can be a good 10 at SR level, so we can see whether he should be considered for higher honours at 10 (rather than 15). Not necessarily in 2024.
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@KiwiMurph said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Perofeta will get his shot at 10 for the Blues to show whether or not he will make the ABs grade.
Who is going to be the goal-kicker for the Blues? That is still a weakness for Perofeta as he is very hot and cold.
Another 1st 5 that is still in NZ and hasn't been mentioned yet is Josh Ioane. I've no idea how much time at 10 he will get at the Chiefs but he does have international experience.
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@Bovidae still amazes me that being a squad player at the chiefs (so it appears) was more attractive than fighting it out for the 10 jersey with us
