CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand
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@booboo said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
Unfortunately I can't shake the feeling we're the Argentina of this group of Semi-finalists.
Seems there's not much in the way of weakness in that Indian team, but they're not unbeatable.
So how do we beat them?
That's a fair assessment. India is by some distance the best team at this World Cup.
But, the best team doesn't always win.
I wouldn't mind if they bat first because there's always the chance that they think they need to score more than they really do and push too hard. e.g. us vs Oz in 2015.
One small weakness is their success so far. Jadeja will bat at 7 for them and he's only faced 96 balls in this whole Cup - and the four guys below him have collectively only faced 49 balls. So IF we can make inroads on their top order, their lower order might fall over for us.
Big IF.
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@booboo said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
NZ's seventh successive Semi-final apparently
Is this correct?
The 6th out the last 7 tournaments would have been South Africa 2003, and didn't we miss the semis because we didn't go to Nairobi?
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@Canes4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
I think we are in with a great chance. That's NZ's best top order that we've seen for some time, it only takes two of them to fire and we are in with a good shout of making a large total.
It's all really down to the performance of our bowlers. Bowl well against this in form Indian lineup, and we are definitely in the hunt.
It really is. We don’t even miss Rossco, outstanding player that he was.
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Whilst our top order has in form and quality batsmen, this Indian ODI bowling lineup is about as good as I’ve seen from any Indian team in my lifetime. Good mix of pace, spin and slower ball bowling.
Big challenge for our top order.
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@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
Whilst our top order has in form and quality batsmen, this Indian ODI bowling lineup is about as good as I’ve seen from any Indian team in my lifetime. Good mix of pace, spin and slower ball bowling.
Big challenge for our top order.
Good to see a country as obsessed with the game as they are has finally caught up with the rest of the world.
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@MN5 said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
Whilst our top order has in form and quality batsmen, this Indian ODI bowling lineup is about as good as I’ve seen from any Indian team in my lifetime. Good mix of pace, spin and slower ball bowling.
Big challenge for our top order.
Good to see a country as obsessed with the game as they are has finally caught up with the rest of the world.
Thanks to Dennis Lille and then Craig McDermott having pace bowling academies in 4 main cities for a number of years,
Craig still brings some young quicks over to play in the club system.
Last season we had a 6ft8 young quick for 3 months he was clocking about 145ks but is was the bounce of a short length that was very hard to combat, -
@Chris this is what's impressed me about the current Indian setup. They seem to have a production line of talent. Such a far cry from the old amateur efforts
By comparison, and from the outside, Australia's seems to have fallen back a bit. Sheffield shield not what it was? Pitches look more similar than they used to.
You're the expert, keen on your opinion
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@nzzp said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris this is what's impressed me about the current Indian setup. They seem to have a production line of talent. Such a far cry from the old amateur efforts
By comparison, and from the outside, Australia's seems to have fallen back a bit. Sheffield shield not what it was? Pitches look more similar than they used to.
You're the expert, keen on your opinion
Well as I said they are obsessed and spend a fucken fortune so they should be good.
I suppose being a big hostile fiery pace bowler doesn’t come naturally to a lot of diminutive Indians to be fair.
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@nzzp said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris this is what's impressed me about the current Indian setup. They seem to have a production line of talent. Such a far cry from the old amateur efforts
By comparison, and from the outside, Australia's seems to have fallen back a bit. Sheffield shield not what it was? Pitches look more similar than they used to.
You're the expert, keen on your opinion.
Yes the Sheffield Shield is weaker the Australian players don’t play in it anymore.
So that weakens it somewhat.There is a real fix here in identifying 13/14 years olds and sticking with them through the youth system,which means some potential players slip through the system and get picked up by AFL.
We had a young quick 5 years back who had massive potential was bowling quick for his age but could not break in to the Qld under age teams,he got frustrated after good performances and AFL grabbed him up on a $80,000 contract he now plays AFL for The Brisbane Lions,
I was one of the Qld u/19 coaches and still could not get him in to the system.
But in saying that the volume of cricketers playing in Australia they will always have a gun 30 odd to pick from. -
The scary thing about the Indian system it is corrupt,
Money gets you everywhere and selected in the first class and under age teams.
if it was based on just ability the Indian teams would be unstoppable,I have spent time coaching in a couple of Craig McDermotts academies in India over the last 6 years.
I have seen some very interesting selection practices. -
If the reports of India requesting a slow pitch with all the grass shaved off is correct that will make our bowlers work very hard,The Indian batsmen are going to be able get forward or play from the back crease trusting the bounce and be able to wait for the ball.
Miss line or length and it's over or into the boundary.From a bowling point of view bowling 2nd would be best for NZ hoping to get some movement with the dew if it falls.And a slightly quicker pitch which will help with variations in length and pace.
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@Chris lol it's hard to fully respect a sport that blatantly tries to give one team an upper hand. The Indians will be almost impossible to beat on a pitch that they've requested so to speak. I can see us batting really well but then getting completely annihilated when we bowl. Hopefully we bat first.
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@Canes4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris lol it's hard to fully respect a sport that blatantly tries to give one team an upper hand. The Indians will be almost impossible to beat on a pitch that they've requested so to speak. I can see us batting really well but then getting completely annihilated when we bowl. Hopefully we bat first.
Yeah there’s so much good and bad about Indian cricket.
I do love the incredible passion that the true fans show and massive respect for opposition players.
Then again I can’t stand the blatant one eyed ness of the other kinds of fans ( the Tendulkar is better than Bradman brigade )
The pitch favouritism gives me the shits too, that and our bowling attack gives me major cause for concern.
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@Canes4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris lol it's hard to fully respect a sport that blatantly tries to give one team an upper hand. The Indians will be almost impossible to beat on a pitch that they've requested so to speak. I can see us batting really well but then getting completely annihilated when we bowl. Hopefully we bat first.
Yep I have the same feeling,if we win the toss I hope we don't make the same mistake we did against SA and bowl first.
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@Bovidae said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
Looking at the stats from previous games in Mumbai, you need to win the toss and bat first. Williamson needs to call correctly.
Hope he's been practicing.
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@Bovidae said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
Looking at the stats from previous games in Mumbai, you need to win the toss and bat first. Williamson needs to call correctly.
and then choose correctly, as well ...
not a given.
they seem to like to chase.
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@Rapido said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Bovidae said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
Looking at the stats from previous games in Mumbai, you need to win the toss and bat first. Williamson needs to call correctly.
and then choose correctly, as well ...
not a given.
they seem to like to chase.
Yeah, what they should do and what they want to do doesn’t always seem to match up…
