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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024:
Thinking outside the square a bit: what happened to Tiaan Falcon (same age as Perofeta), and Kaleb Trask?
Basically, his early career consisted of a few really great games for the Chiefs interrupted by a long string of injuries, but not getting many opportunities when he was healthy either, because he was stuck behind Cruden. Due to more injuries, he was eventually overtaken by Trask. So he left for Japan, because he wanted to play. I'm quite sure he's still with Toyota Verblitz. I hope for him that BB's arrival won't mean less game time or fewer starts for him.
I copied from an old thread:
@Stargazer said in Magpies 2021:
A good interview with Tiaan Falcon. Unfortunately behind a pay-wall.
The Japanese dream: Young Kiwi rugby star Tiaan Falcon attempts to flip the scriptSummary:
Toyota Verblitz already approached him before the 2020 season, but he declined, hoping to have a better season with the Chiefs in 2020 than the previous injury-filled seasons. But he only got 15 minutes with Cruden and Trask picked ahead of him at 10 and Dmac at 15, and Toyota approached him again. He signed a two-year contract (2021 and 2022), because he felt he was getting stale only training and not playing.
Everything turned out differently than expected, with Covid forcing him to live alone and have very few contacts outside training. He's still very positive, because he's learning a lot, being in the same squad as Read, Hooper, Le Roux and others; and head coach Simon Cron and - more from a distance - Steve Hansen.
"Coming over here early you kind of cash that experience being a younger guy. I feel like I've grown a lot in the last few months. Living by myself in a foreign country, all those things you can't really do in New Zealand. I think that experience can only make me better going forward. All those little things as well, the team dynamic here is so different. You don't really realise until you leave New Zealand rugby all the little connections you have."
Rugby wise, his game management has grown. Because of the language challenge, preparation during the week is even more important than usual. Key words to get his message across are essential and he has to have a loud voice to make sure everything is clear during a game situation.
Falcon's main competition for a start comes from South African first five Lionel Cronje. The former Sharks, Bulls and Brumbies No 10 is approaching his 33rd birthday and has had the nod for most of the season. Falcon has played in two of the seven Top League games so far, with his most impressive outing against Munakata Sanix Blues in the middle of March. In just over an hour, Falcon scored two tries and seven conversions in an eventual 61-29 victory. But with only seven foreign players able to be named in a matchday squad, and only six of those allowed on the field at any one time, it's been difficult to hold down that starting place..He'll come back in June, train with the Magpies and return to Japan in September.
Regarding the future, all options remain open. Any potential contract extension with Verblitz is yet to be discussed, with such discussions in Japan generally commencing later on than in other countries.
"I'm not too sure what I'm going to do afterwards. I'm quite open minded whether to stay here or potentially come back to New Zealand. I'll be 24 next year, so still young enough to see how things go."
Rugby World Cup years usually see an exodus of players from New Zealand as they move to Europe and Japan, which could open the door to a 2023 return to NZ with a Super Rugby side. Where so often players head overseas and are barely heard from again, it could well be that Tiaan Falcon is an exception to that rule. Japan could be the making of him. -
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
I'd say Cruden-lite.
Stink
Yeah be a bit shit to have someone who could potentially play like a world cup winning ten.
Hopefully we get McCaw-lite, Carter-lite and some good old Nonu-lite as well then
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@scribe said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in [All Blacks 2024]
Hopefully we get McCaw-lite, Carter-lite and some good old Nonu-lite as well then
2 of those were pretty substandard 10’s though
How do you know this?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
I'd say Cruden-lite.
Stink
Yeah be a bit shit to have someone who could potentially play like a world cup winning ten.
Hopefully we get McCaw-lite, Carter-lite and some good old Nonu-lite as well then
With Jesus-lite coaching, the sky is the limit. Unless heaven-lite is above the sky?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
So I ask the question. At his best what does Perofera bring to the All Black equation?
At his best he plays flat to the line and challenges the line which opens up space around him. He has good footwork to jink through creases. His offloading and passing game at the line at his best is good too.
I'd say Cruden-lite.
Stink
Yeah be a bit shit to have someone who could potentially play like a world cup winning ten.
Hopefully we get McCaw-lite, Carter-lite and some good old Nonu-lite as well then
With Jesus-lite coaching, the sky is the limit. Unless heaven-lire is above the sky?
I can't wait to see what he does with Christie passing to DMac at five-eighth, McLeod in the centres and Jordan at fullback. You know, the team that stank against the Wallabies in Dunedin...
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@antipodean first rule of Jesus-lite is no blues.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
I can't wait to see what he does with Christie passing to DMac at five-eighth
If Christie is in Robertson's sights and gets picked, the Fern will go into meltdown. I might just invest in popcorn futures.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2024:
Johnny Sexton was running the cutter for Ireland at 37 yo so I guess the NZRFU thought BB could do the same for the ABs.
Sounds about right, they wouldn't consider their skillset at their best were opposite ends of the spectrum.
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I honestly think when we looking at halfbacks, I know Roigard will be top of list, and when we talk about the Fakatavas, Christie,Ratima etc, I would definitely throw another name in the ring.
I have a sneaky feeling young Hotham from Mako'Crusaders may just put hiw hand up with a proper season of super under his cap? I do seriously like the look of this kid and can see him jumping a few of the aforementioned players.Mind you I could be barking up wrong tree, and quite prepared for a few of you to call me a dreamer etc.
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@Victor-Meldrew well Christie is likely to be an option, if only because McDonald rates him.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew well Christie is likely to be an option, if only because McDonald rates him.
Might see Perofeta and Christie then.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
I can't wait to see what he does with Christie passing to DMac at five-eighth
If Christie is in Robertson's sights and gets picked, the Fern will go into meltdown. I might just invest in popcorn futures.
Hopefully David Havilli is first choice at second five too, they definitely need a change after Jordies physical presence, directness and all round skill set.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
I can't wait to see what he does with Christie passing to DMac at five-eighth
If Christie is in Robertson's sights and gets picked, the Fern will go into meltdown. I might just invest in popcorn futures.
Hopefully David Havilli is first choice at second five too, they definitely need a change after Jordies physical presence, directness and all round skill set.
On a serious note, hoping Robertson does some equally serious work around the midfield.
Jordie's currently a serviceable, solid 12 who's starting to work well with Reiko but there's a lot of room for improvement/development. Sure, Foster was hit by injuries, but we need to get some options at 12/13 other than Havilli/ALB - luckily there's time and space to do that.
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@Victor-Meldrew be nice if Robertson gives guys a chance which is more than forty minutes or so and then discarded, on a consistent basis.
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I'll take anyone at 10 who can do the basics right (kick, pass, defend). If that's Gardenvariety-Bachop or Gatland then whatever. Plenty of talent to do the fancy shit outside of him.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2024:
I'll take anyone at 10 who can do the basics right (kick, pass, defend). If that's Gardenvariety-Bachop or Gatland then whatever. Plenty of talent to do the fancy shit outside of him.
You lost me at Garden-Bachop
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew be nice if Robertson gives guys a chance which is more than forty minutes or so and then discarded, on a consistent basis.
Be nice if the AB midfield injury curse didn't rear its ugly head as well. There's a pretty decent core team, minimal pressure as a new coach, so plenty of opportunity and time to develop players
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2024:
I'll take anyone at 10 who can do the basics right (kick, pass, defend). If that's Gardenvariety-Bachop or Gatland then whatever. Plenty of talent to do the fancy shit outside of him.
You lost me at Garden-Bachop
Jesus, I said if.
