RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@Tordah said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
With so many punters saying South Africa are deserved winners, I wonder what they would say had Jordie's kick gone over? Terrible team, losing to a 14 men ABs? Springboks performance would have been the exact same, the outcome completely different. In theory, it should not change what you think of the team, but we all know they would be labelled extreme chokers.
Those talking up SA are pretty silly, but it's not too uncommon for people to overrate the winning team. Now they are apparently the greatest clutch team ever if you are to believe the experts, when in fact they couldn't score against 14 from the 34th minute. That's the reality, but it doesn't mean that we didn't choke at crucial moments either. Both teams choked but I would not be happy with the ABs if we couldn't put away a 14 man team fairly comfortably. Jordie kicks it and the narrative is completely different.
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@pakman Thats a bit far stretch, its like saying England will win every test if there isnt a ref?
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@Tordah Jordie should scored 5 tries if the Malmesbury missile missed his tackles.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/17j2kkl/pietersteph_du_toit_astonishing_performance_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button -
@OomPB said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman Thats a bit far stretch, its like saying England will win every test if there isnt a ref?
Let me put it another way, If two of the top four are playing and one team gets a red in first half, they're going to lose 95% of the time. The tactics of the oppo mainly determine how long it takes to overtake them.
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@pakman well the Boks lost PSdT (also nr7 and also Barnes as ref)against France at Marseilles last year early and they came pretty close. 26-30. Pretty sure the coaches have their plan for this.
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@OomPB said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman well the Boks lost PSdT (also nr7 and also Barnes as ref)against France at Marseilles last year early and they came pretty close. 26-30. Pretty sure the coaches have their plan for this.
Yes. I was 100% on their side that night after card. But it remains the case that it’s almost certain defeat at top level.
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@OomPB said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Tordah Jordie should scored 5 tries if the Malmesbury missile missed his tackles.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/17j2kkl/pietersteph_du_toit_astonishing_performance_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_buttonI thought he'd sparked himself out on #25
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@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@OomPB said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman well the Boks lost PSdT (also nr7 and also Barnes as ref)against France at Marseilles last year early and they came pretty close. 26-30. Pretty sure the coaches have their plan for this.
Yes. I was 100% on their side that night after card. But it remains the case that it’s almost certain defeat at top level.
Yeah, and I think Dupont got sent off in that match too.
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If the NZRU has any gumption they'll pay the win bonus.
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@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Just an interesting what if...What if SA had beaten Ireland and we face them in the QF. Would have been fascinating to see how that game went down.
So many what ifs.
We win or lose v France, we get to play Ireland or South Africa, or South Africa or Ireland.
Who knows.
What if Barnsie had ruled Sammie did not clearly release ... or had his hands on the ground ... or SA had beaten us in the hypothetical QF...
That QF is, on reflection 2.5 weeks later, one of my absolute favourite All Blacks, and therefore sporting, moments. And I'll enjoy that for what it was.
It's all what ifs. So many games decided by less than a score this RWC.
And in the end it was 1 point.
Am so proud of our guys that I really don't mind (I care but I don't mind) that we lost.
This is the attitude I took into the final (or rather tried to keep in mind.)
Felt so blessed to have supported the Boks as they showed sheer balls and street smarts in manufacturing back to back wins over the magnificent hosts playing in front of a roiling cauldron of passionate fans and against the swirling wind, pelting sheets of rain and an obdurate reffing team very much feeling the pressure from those same heartbroken, angry fans.
Felt greedy and ungrateful to ask for more from them than to go out and deliver a game they could be proud of. They did that and more.
As a temporary AB supporter for the Irish game, I reckon they also earned @booboo’s satisfaction and pride in their World Cup performance.
They were immense in rooting the Irish and fronted one of the all time big match teams for 80 minutes, blunting one of the best packs ever to set foot on a pitch, found a way to pierce its previously impregnable Finals defence twice, kept Kolbe and KLA from ripping even a single try from the cold Stade air and we’re so disciplined that they only gave Pollard’s Championship winning boot four measly swings at goal.
In the end, those four chances were one too many.
When the boot is on the other foot, as it will be soon enough, please remind me to take huge pride in the boks’ performance and that the bitterness of the vagaries of the weather, the bounce of the ball, reffing and the whims of the Rugby Gods are there to make the wins all the sweeter.
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At some stage I’ll try and explain what this team and it’s triumphs mean to me and how it felt to have the privilege of watching parts of their climb to the mountaintop alongside old friends and new. Until then, this captures a lot of it, beautifully: https://t.co/urRUhLROGH
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I remember McLeod's interview after halftime in the France game. Basically said they planned to run them around to tire them out. But instead of driving up the guts they decided to spin it wide like touch and make all sorts of silly chip kicks. Just not smart
In the end, for all the bravery of our players, this was the problem in 2023. Our coaching set up was not that smart.
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My view on the whole thing is a bit more simplistic,
I think the margins between the top 4 sides are tiny, you could replay the quarter final the next week and get a different result and replay the final and get a different result next time around .
But as always, winning papers over the cracks and losing over emphasis them.
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
My view on the whole thing is a bit more simplistic,
I think the margins between the top 4 sides are tiny, you could replay the quarter final the next week and get a different result and replay the final and get a different result next time around .
But as always, winning papers over the cracks and losing over emphasis them.
Yes, but the bloody Saffers did it when it mattered. 3 times on the bounce. A tad fortunate maybe v France but they played poorly v England and v NZ in much of the second half and still got over the line.
There are no undeserving RWC winners.
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@Catogrande except England
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Nigel Yalden’s podcast worth a taste on this game.
A Rugby World Cup Final Review aka I watched it again so you don't have to 😁
Podcast Episode · The Nigel Yalden Podcast · 06/11/2023 · 54m
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@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
My view on the whole thing is a bit more simplistic,
I think the margins between the top 4 sides are tiny, you could replay the quarter final the next week and get a different result and replay the final and get a different result next time around .
But as always, winning papers over the cracks and losing over emphasis them.
Yes, but the bloody Saffers did it when it mattered. 3 times on the bounce. A tad fortunate maybe v France but they played poorly v England and v NZ in much of the second half and still got over the line.
There are no undeserving RWC winners.
Yeah I’m not suggesting they didn’t deserve to win , the results are there
