RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Fair enough. They looked about as harsh as eachothers to my ( untrained ) eye.
Nisbo thought so too.
That's proves you're wrong lol
Possibly not my best example……
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, I general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons, forward passes etc...but if a try is scored.he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
I mean Barnes.saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
Reminds me of that game when in SA when the TMO made a correct design but disregarded protocol. Now the balance has really tipped too far
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, I general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons, forward passes etc...but if a try is scored.he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
I mean Barnes.saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
Well in Ardie's case it tipped slightly off his hand, Barnes missed, then went forward off his knee afterwards - that's what Barnes called not forward
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
Because it's pissing in the wind. Pointless, shoulda been whinging before about their water boys and stuff
Or it could change the way the TMO is involved.
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Smuts said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@W32 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Commiserations guys. The ABs showed what class they are.
Congratulations enjoy your day
You should all be proud of your boys. Pushed us all the way despite never getting the rub of the green.
I'm hugely proud. The forwards in particular were immense. Considering the start, the cards, the conditions, to fight back and finish like that was an incredible performance
So close!
We made you work for it!
Fuck work for it. That game was in the balance until Barnes put us all out of our collective misery.
That’s why we respect you, and, I hope, why it’s returned.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
Because it's pissing in the wind. Pointless, shoulda been whinging before about their water boys and stuff
Or it could change the way the TMO is involved.
They'll bring that stuff up in the debrief afterwards
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@No-Quarter Bok supporter and I agree. A YC is appropriate, but not a RC. Perhaps extend the length of the YC to 15-20 minutes, but don’t eliminate the player altogether.
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, I general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons, forward passes etc...but if a try is scored.he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
I mean Barnes.saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
Reminds me of that game when in SA when the TMO made a correct design but disregarded protocol. Now the balance has really tipped too far
"Dou you want more information, Nigel?" - "Yes" - "The last pass was forward". Remember that interaction, I think Jimmy Cowan was the passer or try scorer, and if memory serves me right, the TMO was a Saffer. In a game involving South Africa. Weird stuff
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The one thing that I don't think we should let the coaching team and players off with is our poor discipline. We all knew this was a problem and has been a big problem over the last few years, so why have they not fixed it? Two yellows against Ireland and the cards today in the two biggest games of the year is simply unforgivable.
Cane was trying to get us up, and it kinda worked
Frizzell was carded for falling over
Savea was penalised for nothing.Our discipline wasn't bad today. If cane is a fraction lower on a guy changing direction we're starting to put them under pressure
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Well, I don't really know how to process that. I'm still gutted by the loss, but happy that we gave it a good nudge and scored the only try(s).
Card lottery. Knock on lottery. TMO lottery.
Jordan picked a bad day to have a bad game.
@sparky Shield Snorter BBBR was one of our best out there.
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Congratulations Cane and Foster good show
SA were smarter this what irks me
Rugby is not the same game cf 3 years ago. It's not easy but both yellows were preventableWere they smarter though? They got two YCs as well. So just as dumb as each other.
Still very surprised that the Kolisi one didn’t get upgraded.
For me the execution of two or three moments is what let us down. We were certainly good enough to put ourselves in a position to win the game.
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@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
Stats aye. I wonder what the turnover to possession ratio is?
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Seems they were looking for mitigation for Golden Boy.
No mitigation for Cane for the sudden dip and change of direction?
