RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
I mean that’s how I read it too - all season both would have been red but something changed after a week or so of the tournament and Kolisi’s had more mitigation than Cane’s.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Boks unlucky to score a try down the right side too if not for a foot in touch and knock on.
Did you see Smith dragged into the scrum that started that movmeent? Would the TMO go back for that if they scored? Ah, the big questions in life
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@ACT-Crusader Kolisi blew a try too by going for it.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Funny, because at the time it looked like head on head contact and worse than Cane's....
That's why the review process exists at this level. "At the time" can be a poor helper when it comes to these decisions.
The bunker looks at it, fuck, I wish I had one on the sideline reffing amateurs 😬
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
Because it's pissing in the wind. Pointless, shoulda been whinging before about their water boys and stuff
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Funny, because at the time it looked like head on head contact and worse than Cane's....
That's why the review process exists at this level. "At the time" can be a poor helper when it comes to these decisions.
The bunker looks at it, fuck, I wish I had one on the sideline reffing amateurs 😬
Ironically we didn't need an even number of players to win. We just needed to hold our passes and kick our kicks...
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The one thing that I don't think we should let the coaching team and players off with is our poor discipline. We all knew this was a problem and has been a big problem over the last few years, so why have they not fixed it? Two yellows against Ireland and the cards today in the two biggest games of the year is simply unforgivable.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
What does it achieve other than making you look like sour grapes whingers
ABs did phenomenally well to create enough chances to win but couldn't take them.
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Fair enough. They looked about as harsh as eachothers to my ( untrained ) eye.
Nisbo thought so too.
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The one thing that I don't think we should let the coaching team and players off with is our poor discipline. We all knew this was a problem and has been a big problem over the last few years, so why have they not fixed it? Two yellows against Ireland and the cards today in the two biggest games of the year is simply unforgivable.
Yeah, look at Ireland, fuck all cards. We average more then one a game. Even when winning against Argentina, or playing fucking Namibia
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Fair enough. They looked about as harsh as eachothers to my ( untrained ) eye.
Nisbo thought so too.
That's proves you're wrong lol
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@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, In general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons (Faf did one that Barnes saw and called ok) forward passes etc...but if a try is scored he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
Either call all or none, cant pick and choose which to ignore, why is one infringements more worthy of calling than another?
I mean Barnes saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Fair enough. They looked about as harsh as eachothers to my ( untrained ) eye.
Nisbo thought so too.
That's proves you're wrong lol
Possibly not my best example……
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, I general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons, forward passes etc...but if a try is scored.he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
I mean Barnes.saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
Reminds me of that game when in SA when the TMO made a correct design but disregarded protocol. Now the balance has really tipped too far
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, I general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons, forward passes etc...but if a try is scored.he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
I mean Barnes.saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
Well in Ardie's case it tipped slightly off his hand, Barnes missed, then went forward off his knee afterwards - that's what Barnes called not forward
