RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@taniwharugby is that really Ian Foster's fault though?
When your understudies are Ofa and Laulala and Vai'i and Jacobson and Havili and ALB and it's super apparent that your top 23 (who, incidentally, have all played a lot of rugby together) is all you've got, i would be cotton-wooling where i can as well.
We're a couple of key injuries/red cards from a 30-point quarter final drubbing, simply because in certain positions the guys waiting to step in are a mile behind the incumbents
I wonder what happened previously when we rested and rotated players, you know gave them lots of time off, lots of training so they would be fresh for the QF? Oh yeah, they got knocked out in the QF.
I tend to think consistent game time is worth the risk of injury, I'm not saying they play 80 minutes but having the same 15 starting or very close would be more beneficial than chopping and changing. During the TRC we had consistency and played well. We then changed for OZ and struggled, got pumped by SA and France.
To think our top 23 will be humming come QF time only playing together a few times in 6-7 weeks is a stretch. Ireland on the other hand will come into the QF having played close to their top team 4 games in a row.
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I'm not sure Foster can be accused of not giving players enough of a chance to prove themselves. You can certainly argue that these players shouldn't have been selected but they seem to get a fair crack. I'm thinking Havili and Akira for example. You could even argue that the safe option would have been to move Reiko back to the wing but he persisted with him at 13.
To me it seems Foster either can't get the tactics right or he has the wrong players for the style of game he wants to play. Certainly if you want to bomb it from within your own 22, it might be an idea to have players who can actually execute that.
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@taniwharugby is that really Ian Foster's fault though?
When your understudies are Ofa and Laulala and Vai'i and Jacobson and Havili and ALB and it's super apparent that your top 23 (who, incidentally, have all played a lot of rugby together) is all you've got, i would be cotton-wooling where i can as well.
We're a couple of key injuries/red cards from a 30-point quarter final drubbing, simply because in certain positions the guys waiting to step in are a mile behind the incumbents
This is ridiculous. Play the B side until à meaningful game then roll out the A side who haven't played together in weeks? How does that make any sense? At some point you have to trust in the second best player to come in and do a job. Otherwise, the Premier player will be rusty. By the time the QF rolls around the A side won't have played more than 1 test for than a month.
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this is fucking ridiculous
the top side played week 1
The top side played last weekend.The top side played 3 games straight to start the season. It is not like they are meeting in teh carpark
Of our starting front row next week, two are starting, the other is suspended (so this might be our starting front row next week)
Of our starting locks, one has carried a big minute burden, and thus is off the bench, the other is returning from a long injury so needs to be managed
Of our starting loose forwards, two are starting, the other has played every minute so far and needs a rest
Our starting 9 is getting a well deserved rest, and the boom youngster everyone wants to play more is starting
Our starting 10 is playing
Our starting 12 is playing
Our starting centre is getting a rest after playing most games this year. The guy who will be off the bench next week is starting
Our starting 14 is playing, the starting 11 gets rotated but wings are plug and play
Our starting 15 is on the bench, with the guy who will play off the bench starting.16 guys playing will be in the 23 next week. 12 of the starting 15. It's not like we have wheeled out the dirt trackers here
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
Furlong
Depends on the metres. 201.168 and he's spent.
How to get him to run over 201 metres in a game? I'm just the ideas guy. -
@mariner4life Bnag on Mariner, seems pretty sensible, and I can't see how there are many selections that are out there.
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
Not often that reason talks sense
"Then it all fell apart to an England side who “monstered” New Zealand, to borrow Italy coach Kieran Crowley’s description of the weekend’s 96-17 shellacking."
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I expect the coaches would have mapped out best case scenario for playing minutes for the majority of the squad from the end of super rugby through to at least the 1/4, obviously injury and suspensions threw spanners in the works, just as the SA game and Italy game messed things up a bit for different reasons, but from my couch it just feels several players will be under done.
I hope I'm wrong and Fozzie has timed his teams run to this RWC perfectly, I'll happily have him walk out the door with a big
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
This forum is growing into the "I don't care what Foster does, it's wrong" club.
About fucking time.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
The A side by the QF won't have played more than 2 tests consecutively in more than a month.
Don’t worry the A side will get two consecutive matches when they play the QF and semi…
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@antipodean not quite, i think a good coach would have had more or less a performing first string a long time ago so that he could keep them sharpe whilst developing the "reserves", as it is the first string has misfired so much over the last few years he's had to keep twerking that and playing people like BB he is hoping will just "come right"
We are where we are and Foster and the coaching team are managing things and selecting players with a focus on the next 2-4 games.
I really don't think there's any point in choosing a side for Uruguay on the basis of what Foster should or shouldn't have done 2 or 3 years ago
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@mariner4life you and your logic...
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
The A side by the QF won't have played more than 2 tests consecutively in more than a month.
Don’t worry the A side will get two consecutive matches when they play the QF and semi…
The top side ..
Williams
Taylor
Newell
Whitelock
Barrett
A Lander
Blackadder
A Cane
A Notherlander
Mounga
Fainga'aunku
Barrett
A Blue
Jordan
A Nother ... -
@booboo
T. Williams
C. Taylor
F. Newell
S. Whitelock
S. Barrett
E. Blackadder
T. Chief
T. Cane
T. Lander
R. Mo’unga
L. Fainga’anuku
J. Barrett
T. Blue
W. Jordan
T. Naki -
Dunno,
I am sure Fozzie is planning wholesale change for the semi final so we are fresh for the final!
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@booboo
T. Williams
C. Taylor
F. Newell
S. Whitelock
S. Barrett
E. Blackadder
T. Chief
T. Cane
T. Lander
R. Mo’unga
L. Fainga’anuku
J. Barrett
T. Blue
W. Jordan
T. NakiJB is a Crusader Black? You are slipping!
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@booboo
T. Williams
C. Taylor
F. Newell
S. Whitelock
S. Barrett
E. Blackadder
T. Chief
T. Cane
T. Lander
R. Mo’unga
L. Fainga’anuku
J. Barrett
T. Blue
W. Jordan
T. NakiJB is a Crusader Black? You are slipping!
He’s played for the mighty Canterbury so he’s in
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@antipodean not quite, i think a good coach would have had more or less a performing first string a long time ago so that he could keep them sharpe whilst developing the "reserves", as it is the first string has misfired so much over the last few years he's had to keep twerking that and playing people like BB he is hoping will just "come right"
We are where we are and Foster and the coaching team are managing things and selecting players with a focus on the next 2-4 games.
I really don't think there's any point in choosing a side for Uruguay on the basis of what Foster should or shouldn't have done 2 or 3 years ago
not sure thats what i was suggesting, all i was saying is he is at least partially responsible in the drop off from first to second string IMO not appearing to have done much to actually make anyone any better
As ive said, this is pretty much the team i would have picked because i think we're past the point of being able to build a battle hardened 23 that can shrug off niggles and keep going, we're not the 2015 Highlanders where they ran out onto the final after flying to Dunedin > SA > Dunedin > Sydney > Wellington in the preceding weeks and ran out looking like mummies covered in so much tape, i dont think we have Richie type energy playing with a broken foot
so for me i don't think one more run out of the top team against uruguay would wold provide benefit outweighing the the chance of injury or cards
