RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay
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@Nepia said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
I'm surprised that some posters expected (or wanted) the A team to run out this week. Was never going to happen.
I'm genuinely surprised the messiah isn't starting though.
If he did the Uruguayans ( is that even a word ? ) would retire the moment the game was over
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@No-Quarter said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
For all the complaining about Roigard, I'd say the coaches have done a great job introducing him to test footy. They haven't rushed him, he's made every post a winner with game time increasing each test, and now has stacks of confidence going into the finals. TBH I thought the RWC was a year too soon for him to get established, but we now have a real weapon to bring off the bench that other teams have not had a good look at.
This is partially true, but I think you could only credit the coaches if they'd actually used a decent halfback in front of him (e.g Weber).
This is a bit like when the Blackcaps picked Will Young over Devon Conway, because he'd been in NZ longer, before relenting for the WTC Final, and lone behold Conway was way better.
Pick your best players, end of.
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@pakman said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@pakman Irish are vulnerable at TH because they have to play Furlong deep into game and by 55 he’ll be pretty knackered.
Haha, one of the funniest ones I’ve read for a while. Furlong could easily go 80.
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@Nepia said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
I'm surprised that some posters expected (or wanted) the A team to run out this week. Was never going to happen.
I'm genuinely surprised the messiah isn't starting though.
So you not want to heed the lessons from 2007, 2019? Because by the QF the A side would have played once in 7 weeks.
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@Stargazer said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Bovidae said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
With no midfield cover on the bench, will Jordie and ALB play 80 minutes, or will they take ALB off and move Fainga'anuku to 13, when Clarke comes on?
Also wondering what will happen when BB comes on. Will Richie or Dmac be subbed; if Richie, I assume Dmac will move to 10?
It will also be interesting who goes off when Blackadder comes on. I assume Cane, because he hardly plays 80 minutes anymore?
I reckon Cane plays 80. Hasn’t played a huge amount.
Jordie also has missed time so needs the run. Clarke will probably replace Will Jordan. Fainga’anuku will play 80.
DMac will play 80.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Nepia said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
I'm surprised that some posters expected (or wanted) the A team to run out this week. Was never going to happen.
I'm genuinely surprised the messiah isn't starting though.
So you not want to heed the lessons from 2007, 2019? Because by the QF the A side would have played once in 7 weeks.
2015 the top team pretty much played 3 of 4 pool games. That's what we should be doing, with tweaks but not wholesale changes liked this.
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Nepia said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
I'm surprised that some posters expected (or wanted) the A team to run out this week. Was never going to happen.
I'm genuinely surprised the messiah isn't starting though.
So you not want to heed the lessons from 2007, 2019? Because by the QF the A side would have played once in 7 weeks.
2015 the top team pretty much played 3 of 4 pool games. That's what we should be doing, with tweaks but not wholesale changes liked this.
Yeah wasn't Hansen praised for this. They didn't taper until the final week or something. I would say this ended up being a rather successful strategy!
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@Rancid-Schnitzel problem is, Fozzie has pretty much painted himself into a corner with his support for many players, that coming into the SA game, many players were getting short of game time, he wanted that to be a statement game (which it was) and then painted further into the corner vs the French, and then the Italy game was not the contest they hoped so really in a no win situation, opening players up for injury (or more likely given our discipline, suspension)
We certainly dont need any injury to key players as thier understudies will be largely undercooked.
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@taniwharugby is that really Ian Foster's fault though?
When your understudies are Ofa and Laulala and Vai'i and Jacobson and Havili and ALB and it's super apparent that your top 23 (who, incidentally, have all played a lot of rugby together) is all you've got, i would be cotton-wooling where i can as well.
We're a couple of key injuries/red cards from a 30-point quarter final drubbing, simply because in certain positions the guys waiting to step in are a mile behind the incumbents
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
2015 the top team pretty much played 3 of 4 pool games. That's what we should be doing, with tweaks but not wholesale changes liked this.
I had a look at that last night and there was still quite a bit of rotation in the selection of the teams that played the three lesser teams after the opening pool game against Argentina. Your plan is really dependent on the sequence of games, and the relative strength of the others teams in your pool.
Also, two less players to have to play in 2015.
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@taniwharugby is that really Ian Foster's fault though?
When your understudies are Ofa and Laulala and Vai'i and Jacobson and Havili and ALB and it's super apparent that your top 23 (who, incidentally, have all played a lot of rugby together) is all you've got, i would be cotton-wooling where i can as well.
We're a couple of key injuries/red cards from a 30-point quarter final drubbing, simply because in certain positions the guys waiting to step in are a mile behind the incumbents
i think its his fault that those second string guys are going to be rusty as well as a step down in quality, i definitely cant think of too many that have grown once joining the AB's...lots of guys seem to be getting worse
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@mariner4life I think it is a longer term issue that he got himself into this predicament in that he was pretty much fighting for his job since day 1 so was unwilling or unable to try to genuinely develop talent behind the encumbants, and at the end of 2022 we saw more than daylight between say AS and next cab...fortunate that Roigard has emerged to close that gap, but even so you could argue he was introduced slower than he needed to be, particularly with how Christie has played.
Not saying it is all his doing, but I dont think he has helped himself with some of his decisions and seemingly blind faith for some players.
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@mariner4life said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@taniwharugby is that really Ian Foster's fault though?
When your understudies are Ofa and Laulala and Vai'i and Jacobson and Havili and ALB and it's super apparent that your top 23 (who, incidentally, have all played a lot of rugby together) is all you've got, i would be cotton-wooling where i can as well.
We're a couple of key injuries/red cards from a 30-point quarter final drubbing, simply because in certain positions the guys waiting to step in are a mile behind the incumbents
i think its his fault that those second string guys are going to be rusty as well as a step down in quality, i definitely cant think of too many that have grown once joining the AB's...lots of guys seem to be getting worse
So the alternative for Fozzie is to give more time to guys clearly not up to standard at the expense of the preferred starters?
This forum is growing into the "I don't care what Foster does, it's wrong" club.
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@antipodean not quite, i think a good coach would have had more or less a performing first string a long time ago so that he could keep them sharpe whilst developing the "reserves", as it is the first string has misfired so much over the last few years he's had to keep twerking that and playing people like BB he is hoping will just "come right"
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those 2nd string guys may not have improved, but it's not for lack of game time. So so many have got heaps of games.
