Hurricanes v Chiefs
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="RoninWC" data-cid="602315" data-time="1470105374"><p>And someone said earlier, he doesn't have the impact in the tackle as Cane, well maybe not (I actually dispute this but I'll leave that for now) but he certainly has been dominant in tackles and also being tackled.</p></blockquote><br>If you get around to it, I'd like to read this argument. I'll accept that he's hard to pull down and has excellent leg drive when tackled, but you'll have to find some examples of him smashing people in the tackle.
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<p>If you get around to it, I'd like to read this argument. I'll accept that he's hard to pull down and has excellent leg drive when tackled, but you'll have to find some examples of him smashing people in the tackle.</p>
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<p>Ardie seems a bit of a selfish player. That break he made, why not head for support instead of try the flashy dummy and go yourself?</p>
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<p>That break could have resulted in a brilliant try for A. Savea, if TJP had bothered to look over his right shoulder and passed it back to Savea in support, after he gathered that kick instead of trying the miracle off load back on the inside to Halaholo <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.worldrugbyvids.com/index.php/2016/08/01/ardie-savea-vs-chiefs/'>http://www.worldrugbyvids.com/index.php/2016/08/01/ardie-savea-vs-chiefs/</a></p> -
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<p>Some pretty decent hits in this tribute...That 1 on Luatua was beauty!</p>
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<p>3 minutes and 46 seconds and there's one tackle where he drives someone backwards. Kinda proves my point yeah?</p> -
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<p>3 minutes and 46 seconds and there's one tackle where he drives someone backwards. Kinda proves my point yeah?</p>
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<p>Kind of a silly point if you ask me, just as long as he's making his tackle's and not missing any whether they be dominant one's or not. But hey, i'm guessing your a big Sam Cane fan so fair enough. To be fair on Ardie, i'd like to see Cane try and pull off 1 of those tackle's where the opposition player has 10-15 metre head start and Savea is still able to haul them in....show's a'lot of heart that kid that he never gives up!</p> -
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<p>Kind of a silly point if you ask me, just as long as he's making his tackle's and not missing any whether they be dominant one's or not. But hey, i'm guessing your a big Sam Cane fan so fair enough. To be fair on Ardie, i'd like to see Cane try and pull off 1 of those tackle's where the opposition player has 10-15 metre head start and Savea is still able to haul them in....show's a'lot of heart that kid that he never gives up!</p>
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<p>I know Wayne Smith puts quite some emphasis on the difference between tackle effectiveness; placing greater importance on tackles past the gain line that slow down the opposition's ball as opposed to passive tackle behind the gain line.</p>
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<p>I am fair on Ardie. I've said on numerous times that he's the best attacking open side in the world at the moment IMO.</p> -
<p>I don't doubt Ardie can make dominant tackles, but I expect in the game plan he is within, he isn't there for that, the use of him by the canes is different to how the Chiefs use Cane, and again Todd, similarly the way they fit into the AB 7 game plan, which is why you cant simply compare stats</p>
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<p>Ardie is still developing. Cane did not hit the scene making dominant tackles either, he was always an accurate tackler with a massive workrate but the dominant tackling is something he has developed in the last 1 - 2 years. McCaw was the same. Very few people have that from the get go.</p>
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<p>For me, Ardie is still behind Cane as a test match starting 7, but has more potential moving forward <u>if</u> he can develop that part of his game further.</p>
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<p>In the mean time, he will make a seriously good bench player.</p>
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<p>Ardie is still developing. Cane did not hit the scene making dominant tackles either, he was always an accurate tackler with a massive workrate but the dominant tackling is something he has developed in the last 1 - 2 years. McCaw was the same. Very few people have that from the get go.</p>
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<p>For me, Ardie is still behind Cane as a test match starting 7, but has more potential moving forward <u>if</u> he can develop that part of his game further.</p>
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<p>In the mean time, he will make a seriously good bench player.</p>
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<p>We are spoilt.</p>
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<p>Actually Cane has always been a dominant tackler. It was one of his traits as a youngster.</p> -
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<p>Actually Cane has always been a dominant tackler. It was one of his traits as a youngster.</p>
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<p>he's always been technically superb in the tackle, one of the best i can think of. when he first started out he wasn't big enough for that to equate to dominant in the same way he is now though.</p> -
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<p>Yeah not exactly a silly point. Dominant teams are dominant in defence. Going forwards = good, going backwards = bad, it's pretty simple.<br><br>
I do like how if you make any criticism of Ardie the fanboys think you must be a Cane/Todd fan.</p>
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<p>This is a very dated comparison but it always sticks in my head when I think about defenders.</p>
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<p>Back when our back three was JC, Richie and Rodders, I always wondered what would happen if we had a prop YCed and had to drop a loosie for the next scrum - who would you drop? My feeling at the time was always rodders, with the rationale that keeping McGod is a no brainer and with the choice between JC and Rodders, JC is the guy who is more likely to put a big hit in and break up a move, get the defence on the back foot whereas Rodders was more of a relentless scrambler who would keep on making tackles but not necessarily driving them back like JC could.</p>
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<p>Of course a defence has to have guys who are scramblers, but if that's all your defence does then you'll eventually get broken down.</p>
