All Blacks 2023
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2023:
This is Ireland, South Africa or France's tournament. I'd probably give each roughly a 25% chance, NZ at more like 15% , England 6%, Australia 3%, Others 1%
Sounds close but I think France and SA in driving seat, France now a touch ahead of SA given Marx's exit...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@frugby but looking at your evidence you say winners we 'one of the best' we are still 'one of the best'
Anyway, I dont care if you thnk we cant win, I think we have a good shot, albeit with caveats above, so yeah.
By one of the best, I mean top three in the world. As far as I can tell, there hasn't been a side win the World Cup without either being the best in the world, or playing well. We aren't playing well, and haven't played well barring the odd game here or there in the past four year cycle.
We looked a million bucks to start the year, and then got mullered by South Africa. Started well vs France, then faded quicker than a tattoo from Bali...
That game vs South Africa didn't matter, but at the same time, All Blacks sides of the past wouldn't have copped such a pasting. They might have lost 13+, but they wouldn't have been destroyed.
All Blacks sides of the past would have turned that good start into points, and would have punished a France side who didn't set the world on fire. We are hoping to win the World Cup, but there is such little evidence to suggest we will I am afraid.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2023:
This is Ireland, South Africa or France's tournament. I'd probably give each roughly a 25% chance, NZ at more like 15% , England 6%, Australia 3%, Others 1%
Sounds close but I think France and SA in driving seat, France now a touch ahead of SA given Marx's exit...
Well of course New Zealand could win it, but I wouldn't describe us as having a good chance. If you isolate the quarter, semi and final, it is actually quite easy to make a convincing argument for us, but then when you consider that we have to do all three consecutively, there is nothing from the past four years to suggest we have a good chance.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2023:
This is Ireland, South Africa or France's tournament. I'd probably give each roughly a 25% chance, NZ at more like 15% , England 6%, Australia 3%, Others 1%
Sounds close but I think France and SA in driving seat, France now a touch ahead of SA given Marx's exit...
Well of course New Zealand could win it, but I wouldn't describe us as having a good chance. If you isolate the quarter, semi and final, it is actually quite easy to make a convincing argument for us, but then when you consider that we have to do all three consecutively, there is nothing from the past four years to suggest we have a good chance.
I agree with you on NZ, I'm just not so sure Ireland is level pegging with France (their hometown) or SA (their ferocity)..
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2023:
This is Ireland, South Africa or France's tournament. I'd probably give each roughly a 25% chance, NZ at more like 15% , England 6%, Australia 3%, Others 1%
Sounds close but I think France and SA in driving seat, France now a touch ahead of SA given Marx's exit...
Well of course New Zealand could win it, but I wouldn't describe us as having a good chance. If you isolate the quarter, semi and final, it is actually quite easy to make a convincing argument for us, but then when you consider that we have to do all three consecutively, there is nothing from the past four years to suggest we have a good chance.
I agree with you on NZ, I'm just not so sure Ireland is level pegging with France (their hometown) or SA (their ferocity)..
Perhaps they are, they're pretty skilled to neutralizing other teams' strengths.I think that is fair debate... at some stage someone new will win the World Cup, but considering New Zealand could establish real dominance by 2027, and carry is through to 2031, with Australia, South Africa, France and even England with a young side also likely to be there, it is probably now or never for Ireland.
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the last four years? If that's what we are going off you can write South Africa off as well
Just this year they have lost to us, and scraped by a terrible Argentina at home
Last year they lost to Ireland and France and NZ and Australia
The year before they lost to us, Australia twice, the Lions, EnglandThey took 2020 off
Terrible form, can't put 3 good games together
I get we're not great. But pretty much no one on this Board expects us to win the cup, in fact i expect the QF poll to be almost historic for an AB test. What you are saying is not some groundbreaking news flash.
But we are not without hope, and right there on the 3rd line of betting i reckon. -
our last 4 games with south africa are 2-2 ,
in some ways i prefer them in a quarter , yes they are tough but we at least know whats coming,
Ireland remind me of playing the wallabies in the early 2000s where they would out play you from the coaches box
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The All Blacks are ‘hoping’ that Tyrell Lomax, Shannon Frizell and Jordie Barrett will all be available for the Italy game. No mention of Sam Cane.
Promising news on the injury front for the All Blacks
Defence coach Scott McLeod said the All Blacks suffered no injuries in the 71-3 victory over Namibia, and gave an update on those players who have not appeared in the tournament yet – prop Tyrel Lomax, flanker Shannon Frizell and second five-eighths Jordie Barrett.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:
Blackadder has officially overtaken Ngatai as the player who gets better by not playing.
And we've created a new award the Frizell 20 good minutes in 5 years and now instant pick.
Desperate times
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:
Blackadder has officially overtaken Ngatai as the player who gets better by not playing.
And we've created a new award the Frizell 20 good minutes in 5 years and now instant pick.
that sounds more like Akira, Friz probably has 40 minutes to his name
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@bayimports said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:
Blackadder has officially overtaken Ngatai as the player who gets better by not playing.
And we've created a new award the Frizell 20 good minutes in 5 years and now instant pick.
that sounds more like Akira, Friz probably has 40 minutes to his name
There's no way the Fern anti Ioane brigade would ever hype up Akira - didn't he get MoTM in a test at one stage?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@bayimports said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:
Blackadder has officially overtaken Ngatai as the player who gets better by not playing.
And we've created a new award the Frizell 20 good minutes in 5 years and now instant pick.
that sounds more like Akira, Friz probably has 40 minutes to his name
There's no way the Fern anti Ioane brigade would ever hype up Akira - didn't he get MoTM in a test at one stage?
It was only Australia
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@bayimports said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:
Blackadder has officially overtaken Ngatai as the player who gets better by not playing.
And we've created a new award the Frizell 20 good minutes in 5 years and now instant pick.
that sounds more like Akira, Friz probably has 40 minutes to his name
There's no way the Fern anti Ioane brigade would ever hype up Akira - didn't he get MoTM in a test at one stage?
probably the day we all thought he was going to be the next messiah in that outing against Oz..
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:
Blackadder has officially overtaken Ngatai as the player who gets better by not playing.
Haha, desperate times ...
And I can already hear the knives being sharpened, in case Blackadder indeed gets to play. In proper TSF way, every mistake he makes will be pointed out ad nauseam and how player X, Y or Z should have been selected instead, appropriately ignoring the good things he does on the field. GOM are going to GOM!
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@bayimports said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:
Blackadder has officially overtaken Ngatai as the player who gets better by not playing.
And we've created a new award the Frizell 20 good minutes in 5 years and now instant pick.
that sounds more like Akira, Friz probably has 40 minutes to his name
There's no way the Fern anti Ioane brigade would ever hype up Akira - didn't he get MoTM in a test at one stage?
One of the most dominant votes we’ve ever had: https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4824/all-blacks-motm-vs-aus-iii
A bunch of 2nds, 3rds etc. Strangely he was actually first equal with J Barrett on the cumulative table that year (an anomaly because hardly anyone played multiple good games)
