RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji
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@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
I don't think there's anything wrong with a YC in that situation without prior warning,
He can justify his decisions and ask us to accept his errors and that's fine, as long as they even-handed. They weren't.
I don't think I've ever bagged a ref for being biased since they went neutral (not even Barnes) and hate criticism of them as they generally do a bloody good job and actually make bugger all mistakes - but as a neutral, Carley reffing last night deserves looking at for more than incompetence.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
I don't think there's anything wrong with a YC in that situation without prior warning,
He can justify his decisions and ask us to accept his errors and that's fine, as long as they even-handed. They weren't.
I don't think I've ever bagged a ref for being biased since they went neutral (not even Barnes) and hate criticism of them as they generally do a bloody good job and actually make bugger all mistakes - but as a neutral, Carley reffing last night deserves looking at for more than incompetence.
But if he was biased or corrupt, how do you explain the various Fijian offences that were missed?
Hanlon's Razor says "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
I reckon you can substitute stupudity with incompetence and it will still hold true.
But yes, he fell far short of the minimum expectation of consistency
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Hanlon's Razor says "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Take your point, but as Lee Atwater said: "Perception is Reality". It isn't just the stupidity or incompetence, it's the look.
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60th minute, Biggar should have been yellow carded.
Gets up offside.
Never looked like retreating.
Took the halfback.If pulling down a maul is a professional foul, so is that.
Subsequent penalty awarded for But it isn't just the ones blown, is all the other shithousery - Wales desperately off their feet at every ruck and scrabbling hands.
The warning didn't take into account the nature of either penalty I might add.
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@GibbonRib you also see yellows whipped out all the time for cynical, offside, ball tampering infringements a couple of metres out from the tryline. Not a couple more penalties then a warning.
You also see yellow cards for no arms tackles aimed at the knee - not comments of "no foul play" followed by penalising the other team 30 seconds later for a seatbelt tackle of minimal effect.
It's these type of incidents that give it the "look" of something more than incompetence.
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Yeah, you're right, plenty of incidents where Wales could and should have had another card.
I'm just wary of ascribing it to corruption, when incompetence is a perfectly adequate explanation.
Look at the Rassie inspired farce during the last Lions tour - thousands of Boks fans will go to their graves swearing that the refs were (and still are) conspiring to cheat them, despite all evidence to the contrary. As you say, perception becomes reality. Don't want to play that game.
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@NTA said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
They still had their fate in their hands - despite any issue they may have with the officiating - and couldn't execute.
I find this line of thinking a bit insincere. It would've been a helluva lot easier to execute it they weren't getting shafted.
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@NTA said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
Still, at the end Fiji had a fairly straightforward chance to score a try and kick the conversion from close enough.
They still had their fate in their hands - despite any issue they may have with the officiating - and couldn't execute.
Yeah, after two hours of blood, sweat and tear-inducing refereeing it came down to this moment. Still can't quite believe he didn't take it, Radradra of all people.
I had a mixture of emotions, I was absolutely sure we'd lost the game, then the relief that we'd hung on - but it's hard to see it end that way. You want to win through some great defence forcing the turnover, not an error like that. Feel for the Fijian players & fans.
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Well this is Fiji fans complaining about refing in Fiji games (yeah I know you're Kiwis, but don't go telling me you were neutral for that one (and definitely don't give me any of the "I was neutral until the ref started being biased"))
Go to a Welsh forum and they'll give you a big list of the calls that went Fiji's way. That's just how the game is.
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@NTA said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
60th minute, Biggar should have been yellow carded.
Gets up offside.
Never looked like retreating.
Took the halfback.If pulling down a maul is a professional foul, so is that.
Subsequent penalty awarded for But it isn't just the ones blown, is all the other shithousery - Wales desperately off their feet at every ruck and scrabbling hands.
The warning didn't take into account the nature of either penalty I might add.
As I mentioned previously the ruck which Biggar infringed at should never have happened because the tap and go was an infringement itself and Wales should have been awarded a free kick for dummying the tap & go
Carley waved play on despite warning Fiji for doing it just seconds before
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@NTA said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
60th minute, Biggar should have been yellow carded.
Gets up offside.
Never looked like retreating.
Took the halfback.If pulling down a maul is a professional foul, so is that.
Subsequent penalty awarded for But it isn't just the ones blown, is all the other shithousery - Wales desperately off their feet at every ruck and scrabbling hands.
The warning didn't take into account the nature of either penalty I might add.
As I mentioned previously the ruck which Biggar infringed at should never have happened because the tap and go was an infringement itself and Wales should have been awarded a free kick for dummying the tap & go
Carley waved play on despite warning Fiji for doing it just seconds before
That would have been hilarious if he'd FKd Fiji for that while Wales were all offside in front of the line.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@NTA said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
60th minute, Biggar should have been yellow carded.
Gets up offside.
Never looked like retreating.
Took the halfback.If pulling down a maul is a professional foul, so is that.
Subsequent penalty awarded for But it isn't just the ones blown, is all the other shithousery - Wales desperately off their feet at every ruck and scrabbling hands.
The warning didn't take into account the nature of either penalty I might add.
As I mentioned previously the ruck which Biggar infringed at should never have happened because the tap and go was an infringement itself and Wales should have been awarded a free kick for dummying the tap & go
Carley waved play on despite warning Fiji for doing it just seconds before
I believe the second time around it was different because he wasn't faking at tapping the ball.
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@Bones said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@NTA said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
They still had their fate in their hands - despite any issue they may have with the officiating - and couldn't execute.
I find this line of thinking a bit insincere. It would've been a helluva lot easier to execute it they weren't getting shafted.
But then we would be saying " in spite of" rather than ' because of"
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Was watching this while at gym this morning and while I guess it was 50% watching listening, it was a decent game. It was really on the nose that there were no cards for Wales after repeated penalties on the line but then Fiji got one almost straight away. In the end I thought Wales were more composed and deserved to win. Actually I was driving home with 10 to go and thought Wales had it in the bag. Got home and realised it was mega squeaky bum time for Wales. Would truly have been snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
Well this is Fiji fans complaining about refing in Fiji games (yeah I know you're Kiwis, but don't go telling me you were neutral for that one (and definitely don't give me any of the "I was neutral until the ref started being biased"))
Go to a Welsh forum and they'll give you a big list of the calls that went Fiji's way. That's just how the game is.
Hang on, if we are NZers we can't be neutral? Interesting, interesting.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
See my earlier post, two of Fiji's four tries should not have happened
But in this fantasy world, Biggar was sent off for a professional foul/penalty try under the posts - that cancels two of Wales tries and adds a converted try to Fiji...
So 33-18 to Fiji? Not even a bonus point.
