Hurricanes v Chiefs

antipodean

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6) Memo to Sam Cane and Aaron Cruden - why not take the three points early doors in a final instead of going for 7.
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 I said that at the time. The lineout and drive were fine - you had the momentum. But the subsequent penalty from the scrum right in front of the sticks should have been kicked. It would have put them in front and given reward for the territory and pressure.

nostrildamus

If BB becomes first pick wouldn't Sopoaga have an advantage over Cruden if both are competing for the bench?

mimic

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="dingo" data-cid="601642" data-time="1469874201">
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Yes there was...
 
Anyone who thinks A Savea is better than Micheal Jones is too young (or has alsheamers) to rememeber the best "classic" 7 who has ever played. They also can't remember the best 7 who ever played the game who could evolve from a classic 7 to reinvent the position until he retired in 2015.
 
Weirdly, even though Carter just retired, I think BB has the potential to be compared with Carter when BB retires. Both have won a RWC for example.
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The comment I quoted was made in jest. My reply was because even though it was in jest, Ardie and BB were huge tonight.
But yes, continue on showing off your wisdom because us folk too young round here.

Stargazer

Crap internet connection, so only one response to the game from me:
<ul><li>Best Chiefs players: the locks</li>
<li>Best Canes players: BB, TJP, Ardie</li>
<li>Biggest positive surprise: although I had seen him play really well before, never thought Riccitelli would make such a good impression. May be someone with an AB future ...? So glad he's a Magpie!</li>
<li>Most negative surprise: the inability of the Chiefs to convert chances into points, although credit is due to the Canes' defence</li>
<li>Match-up 1: despite Cruden not being terribly bad, BB totally dominated the battle of the 10s. Only magic from BB (attack & defence), while Cruden had some awful handling errors.</li>
<li>Match-up 2: TJP waaaaaaaay better than TKB/Weber, although to Weber's defence, he was brought on much too late in the game</li>
<li>Match-up 3: not Cane's first bad/average game of the season. Ardie clearly the best 7 of the last few games, esp. tonight</li>
<li>Lowe: not AB material; can't catch or pass (not just this week)</li>
<li>Dmac: very, very disappointing; was impressive in beginning of season, but has been steadily deteriorating in last third of the season; at first, he seemed to have problems on defence only, but now a lot of errors have crept in as well</li>
<li>I think this Canes' team has the potential to go all the way this year. Despite the players that are missing from last year, they look better now. I think it's mostly a mental thing. There's fire in this squad.</li>
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nostrildamus

the TSF Savea versus Cane for AB7 spot battle will go on for months..

mimic

just saw the footage of TJP kicking cane on the head.. it might cost him a spot in the final next week

dingo

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The comment I quoted was made in jest. My reply was because even though it was in jest, Ardie and BB were huge tonight.
But yes, continue on showing off your wisdom because us folk too young round here.
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The comment I quoted was made in jest. My reply was because even though it was in jest, Ardie and BB were huge tonight.
But yes, continue on showing off your wisdom because us folk too young round here.
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you haven't got it right.
 
I said in my defense I'd had a beer or three, and might well have a few more, Despite that, you appear to take me far too seriously. Anyway, its my old folk drunken wisdom who made time inbetween leading the white thrash tatooed folk in the dance of the thunder struckness to tell you young fellas how it was in the day. Thats what we do. No fun being old otherwise.
 
Your original comment went "woosh" right over my old fellas head. If I offended you, through misunderstanding, I appoligise.

Stargazer

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mimic" data-cid="601656" data-time="1469876869">
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just saw the footage of TJP kicking cane on the head.. it might cost him a spot in the final next week
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In which minute of the game did that happen? I'd like to have a look at it myself when I watch the replay tomorrow. I missed it while watching the game live.

Nepia

Very good win to the Canes, they've quietly done the business this season and deserve to be playing the final at home. The Chiefs unfortunately didn't fire a shot after not taking up the opportunity of the penalty kicks, but you have to give the Canes the credit for their defence. They were good first up and great in cover - the Chiefs actually made a few in roads at times but the cover always chopped them down. Travel probably played a factor in the Chiefs poor performance but they should have won an extra game to avoid it.
 
Maybe TJP needs to be made permanent captain, he seems to play better and he managed to persuade Gardiner to not card a player in the first half.
 
 
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I'm not. But it's been a good while between drinks there buddy.
 
Names like Joseph & Schmidt should be equally in the running.
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So only recent results count? Joseph's numbers of years of failure with both Wellington and the Highlanders were wiped out with last years win I see? 
 
With the amount of defence of the squad limitations on the Crusaders thread, I think that a case can be made for the past few years that Rennie's actually done well with regular finals appearances considering they've usually been decimated by injury.
 
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="dingo" data-cid="601642" data-time="1469874201">
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Yes there was...
 
Anyone who thinks A Savea is better than Micheal Jones is too young (or has alsheamers) to rememeber the best "classic" 7 who has ever played. They also can't remember the best 7 who ever played the game who could evolve from a classic 7 to reinvent the position until he retired in 2015.
 
Weirdly, even though Carter just retired, I think BB has the potential to be compared with Carter when BB retires. Both have won a RWC for example.
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Do you ever go on PR, there's a poster called douche chill, you (actually TBF a number of Barrett fanbois) are starting to remind me of him. DC's the greatest 10 to play the game. Barrett's had two good tests at 10 and half a Super season and you're going off half cocked. Winning a WC is irrelevant really, Cruden won a WC as well. Lets see how he goes in a run of games in the RC before we anoint him as the greatest thing since sliced bread.
 
In saying that Barrett had a great game, his running was great and his error rate was low (although likely not as low as the fanbois will have us believe).
 
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">James Lowe in the ABs ? No thanks. J Savea would be getting crucified if he had a game like that.
 
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I'm a big fan of Lowe but he was terrible, however, J Savea has games like that (which is partly why he was sitting on the bench this week and two bogans from the Hutt were on the wings) where he gets defended by his fans.

mimic

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In which minute of the game did that happen? I'd like to have a look at it myself when I watch the replay tomorrow. I missed it while watching the game live.
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Around the 56 minutes 50 seconds

Rancid Schnitzel

I thought McKenzie went ok. But he should be flyhalf not fullback. Things happen every time he touches the ball. Either he or Cruden should move out. Imagine how good the Blues would be next year with one of those two.

Toddy

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Around the 56 minutes 50 seconds
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Is that after the Chiefs went close to scoring? I saw TJ madly apologising to Cane and did wonder what he'd done. Farkin idiot if he has kicked him.
 
Besides that, Cane was fairly horrendous tonight, while Ardie stood up big time. Interesting times ahead.

canefan

Great game for canes fans. The Chiefs came to play but our desire and brutality on defence was as impressive as any canes game I can remember. That goal line stand in the first half where the Chiefs hammered away declined to take the penalty kick and ultimately turned it over. BB and TJP played brilliantly well, everyone did their part, and we took enough of our chances on attack. But in the end the win was built on uncharacteristic relentless defence. One more game please

dingo

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So only recent results count? Joseph's numbers of years of failure with both Wellington and the Highlanders were wiped out with last years win I see? 
 
With the amount of defence of the squad limitations on the Crusaders thread, I think that a case can be made for the past few years that Rennie's actually done well with regular finals appearances considering they've usually been decimated by injury.
 
 
Do you ever go on PR, there's a poster called douche chill, you (actually TBF a number of Barrett fanbois) are starting to remind me of him. DC's the greatest 10 to play the game. Barrett's had two good tests at 10 and half a Super season and you're going off half cocked. Winning a WC is irrelevant really, Cruden won a WC as well. Lets see how he goes in a run of games in the RC before we anoint him as the greatest thing since sliced bread.
 
In saying that Barrett had a great game, his running was great and his error rate was low (although likely not as low as the fanbois will have us believe).
 
 
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I don't blow sushine up Arides arse, or TJPs, or Coles, or VV or any other 'canes arse.
 
I'm sure you don't mean to insult me by suggesting I go on the toxic wasteland that is PR but I do recall the Auckland - Cantab hatred that cropped up when NZ was fortunate enough to have an all time great seven replaced in the same life time as another all time great seven.
 
All I'm doing is suggest that just maybe NZ might be similarly fortunate at first five but I also said " I think BB has the potential to be compared with Carter when BB retire" so I said "potential" and when "BB retires" so basically I'm leaving a shit load of time to decide and only suggesting potential.
 
So just maybe I was actually, as you say saying " Lets see how he goes in a run of games in the RC before we anoint him as the greatest thing since sliced bread"

kiwiinmelb

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="601625" data-time="1469871887">TBF, Hansen probably knows what he is doing....while I;d be surprised if BB isnt given the first run at 10 if he remains uninjured, if he doesnt, I wont lose my shit</blockquote> Its an interesting little dilemma isnt it ? Clearly the form 10 in NZ , if not the world, I personally think he starts now, but starting him causes changes to a successful formula, and does that almost finish Cruden ?

Nepia

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Its an interesting little dilemma isnt it ? 
Clearly the form 10 in NZ , if not the world, 
I personally think he starts now, 
but starting him causes changes to a successful formula, and does that almost finish Cruden ?
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Depends, form fluctuates, a year ago we wouldn't be discussing this because BB wasn't in the same rich run of form even though the Canes marched to the finals.
 
 
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I'm sure you don't mean to insult me by suggesting I go on the toxic wasteland that is PR but I do recall the Auckland - Cantab hatred that cropped up when NZ was fortunate enough to have an all time great seven replaced in the same life time as another all time great seven.
 
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You just insulted me. ;)
 
I'm still the MJ is a better rugby player, Richie a greater AB camp, and Kronfeld is a bit underrated as the guy in the middle who was bloody good too.

nostrildamus

We seem to be debating whether BB would be the greatest 10 currently for the ABs versus Cruden when perhaps Shag is debating whether - for the team - BB is better at starting 10 or than BB at 2nd half FB/Wing/10

leytonandamanda

Who is ref for the final? 
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Frye

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Who is ref for the final? 

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Pragmatic choice is Jackson surely.
No need to rack up those air miles when a very competent ref is only a few clicks up the highway.
 
Right Marinos, right?! Fluffybunny.

Donsteppa

In hindsight with the Highlanders game now done, probably a good thing the Canes won from an NZ point of view. The Chiefs now getting back on a plane for South Africa would have been a bridge too far...

The Silver Fern

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