RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@akan004 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The Roigard non selection is silly but it also shows how inflexible Foster is. I really don't know why we even bothered having the ABs in SR when clearly form doesn't matter to the guy, he had already picked this AB team at the start of the year.
Not sure this is entirely true. Despite what we may think, I think the evidence would suggest that at the end of last year, the pecking order of halfbacks was probably:
- Smith
- Perenara
- Christie
- Weber
- Fakatava
- Ratima
- Roigard
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@Canes4life said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew Nonu was a beast for the Canes in 2015 though. If Carter hadn't pulled out his magic when he did to win World Player of the year, Nonu probably would have won that accolade.
And plus, a underperforming Nonu at Super level was still quality, especially when you compare him to the 12s running around atm. A really good Christie is still average.
Yep. A shit Nonu is still 2x better than TJ Faiane playing at his best.
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@Victor-Meldrew Nonu was a world class player, a world XV player in fact and we all knew what he was capable of at test level, so his selection was a given.
Similar to how Hart always selected Bunce ahead of Clarke even though Clarke had the superior SR form. Bunce always delivered at international level.
Christie and some of his other safe picks however are hardly world class yet he refuses to drop them for in form players.
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Good thing that Henry and Hansen were inflexible then..
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I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
Also, if anyone lives overseas and can go to the bookmaker, would love to know the odds on Nepo over 2.5 knock-ons. In that heat, he won't catch a thing!
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Yep. Being inflexible and not picking on SR form paid off.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@akan004 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The Roigard non selection is silly but it also shows how inflexible Foster is. I really don't know why we even bothered having the ABs in SR when clearly form doesn't matter to the guy, he had already picked this AB team at the start of the year.
The same criticism can be made against Henry and Hansen for sticking with Nonu at 12 despite being crap in SR.
If Beauden delivered in black the way Nonu did no one would mind at all about his Super Rugby form as relates to his AB selection.
Beauden has been on the downside in black for years but is always a certainty to be picked by Foster.
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@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
Also, if anyone lives overseas and can go to the bookmaker, would love to know the odds on Nepo over 2.5 knock-ons. In that heat, he won't catch a thing!
I think the difference there is that we resigned ourselves to the disappointment before the team was picked in regards to Paps and Nepo.
We still had slim hope that maybe Roigard would get picked - which is now dashed.
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@Windows97 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
We still had slim hope that maybe Roigard would get picked - which is now dashed.
Not if you paid attention to the press conference midweek where Christie was rolled out. We were warned.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Darren said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
But everyone was having a bad day,
Yeah, and as much of a Roigard fan as I am, there's the possibility that playing OK and scoring a great individual try in his second Test against a team 35 points up just might not be the definitive guide to his qualities in an RWC competition.
Just played ok?
I’d love to see Christie score try’s like that, then this wouldn’t even be a conversation. No one else could even manage to do that.
I think Roigard is just as good defensively as Christie too. If you are relying on a 9s tackle to turn a game then you have much bigger issues.
You are not going to win a game by bringing on Christie.
I just think you need to take some chances.
At least having LF on the bench could turn a game.
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@Windows97 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
Also, if anyone lives overseas and can go to the bookmaker, would love to know the odds on Nepo over 2.5 knock-ons. In that heat, he won't catch a thing!
I think the difference there is that we resigned ourselves to the disappointment before the team was picked in regards to Paps and Nepo.
We still had slim hope that maybe Roigard would get picked - which is now dashed.
That's fair - I must say, I was surprised with the selection of Christie (prior to seeing him front the media). Not sure why they went with Roigard last week, saw him make an impact (albeit once the game was already gone) then went back to the guy they hooked vs. Australia because he was so poor (well that seemed to be what they did anyway).
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@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
Less concerned about 6 than I am about 1 - 8
Surely the forwards can be as bad as they were against the Books at Twickenham?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
Less concerned about 6 than I am about 1 - 8
Surely the forwards can be as bad as they were against the Books at Twickenham?
No, and Stephen Donald made quite a good point on SENZ, that part of it was quite simply we were only attacking with one variation off the pod as we didn't want to give anything away. We also played the majority without our top side, and down a man. The warm weather could play into our hands, but only if the tight five fronts up. Papalii could prove a genius selection, but think we have paid the price for not picking another dynamic/big 6 in the squad.
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
To have any chance.
Huge patience. Cut out the 50:50's
DONT F*CK ABOUT IN OUR OWN HALF. KICK IT!!!
Pick and goes. We are very good at this.
Make use of the opponent corners.Mistakes so far. No Roigard, too many wingers.
Since we haven't really done this since the first lions test, I'm not sure it's going to happen now
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@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
To have any chance.
Huge patience. Cut out the 50:50's
DONT F*CK ABOUT IN OUR OWN HALF. KICK IT!!!
Pick and goes. We are very good at this.
Make use of the opponent corners.Mistakes so far. No Roigard, too many wingers.
Play direct and no one can stay with us. Spin it wide early and ALB is going to get smashed behind the gain line every time. The ABs have to channel the first half at Mt Smart. What annoys me is that we seem to go away from the winning formula far too often. My expectation level is at an all time low this time around
Three first half of mount smart we spun it wide and did shitty little dinky kicks. Is just we recovered 60-70 percent of them. That's never going to happen again against a top team, it was an anomaly that has been shown up as useless when SA don't drop every catch
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A good coach should plan for the worst and that is A Smith going down in the first 20 with an injury. Do you have Christie play 60 or do you have Roigard. It is a no brainer, Roigard is in form and should be getting as many minutes as possible in this WC just in case Smith gets injured. Leaving him out of the 23 is just fucken stupid.
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@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
except i don't think anybody actually said that.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Yep. Being inflexible and not picking on SR form paid off.
To be fair with Nonu you always thought "if this guy could play to his potential he'd be incredible" and yes it took awhile for him to get there and yes credit to the selectors for sticking with him.
But Nonu had raw skill, physical attributes and a bit of an x-factor that could make him a world class player.
The problem with Finlay is that I don't really see anymore of those above 3 attributes listed above than what there is currently on the field. I don't see anymore untapped potential there that would warrant ongoing selection over someone who does have raw skill, physical attributes, x - factor and untapped potential (which I think most people see in Roigard).
Now whether Roigard will deliver on any of that who knows - but it's awfully difficult to deliver anything if your sitting in the stands clapping.
