Does Rugby have a Superstar?
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@MN5 said in Does Rugby have a Superstar?:
I do wonder why Cullens aura isn’t quite up there with Jonahs.
Is it cos he kinda bombed out a bit in the only World Cup he ever played in ?
A casual fan would have easily look at him and marvelled at how good he was.
I don't think he ever got a chance to be exposed to a global audience. If he'd done the insane shit of 96-97 at the 99 world cup then it might have been different. Instead he played at 13........................................................................
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@mikedogz said in Does Rugby have a Superstar?:
One way to measure how big a star a player is, is their social media following. Going by Instagram only Dan Carter and SBW are 1mil. Kolisi and Beauden are the highest current players at 710k and 680k. Dwarfed by the numbers of the football superstars.
Yes but you'd have to scrape SBW's following across 2 and a half sports?
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It’s definitely “highlight” type guys who have the potential to be stars.
I mean, everyone used to rave about Bill Cavubati and Bull Allen and all the cool shit they did with the ball in hand.
But would anyone who knows rugby select them over Richard Loe and Olo Brown ?
( I probably would until I read the fern )
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I'm not convinced Richard Loe would spend much time on the pitch in the modern-reffed game.
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Guys like Tupou and Asafo Aumua are ones that were starting off on the right trajectory, but the talent that got them highlight reels in their youth ends up being lost to tight, defensive test rugby.
It's generally going to be the guys who are freaks in their position and generally consistently do what others don't.
So it's going to be a front rower that runs like a barnstorming number 8, a loosie that flattens people and runs like a centre or a winger that tears opposition to pieces.
In saying that, our biggest superstar will be one of Ardie or Mounga at the RWC, whichever turns it on the most.
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If we were doing tier rankings, then obviously Jonah is alone at the top. And I'd put Carter alone in the second tier. I was in chemist warehouse at the weekend, and DC's face was plastered everywhere (I wonder how many of Chemist Warehouse's Melburnian clientelle have any idea who he is).
For a while Wilkinson was up alongside him, but thankfully that injustice has been corrected.
Third tier, I'd say starts to get busy. BOD, McGraw, Habana certainly. Shane Williams was very big for a little while. Gavin Henson was bigger, but for a shorter while.
I can't think of any Frenchies who are / have been up there - Dupont should be, this RWC could determine a lot. Aussies, don't know, I think because I live here I can't really judge how big their stars are - Eales and Gregan are the two that spring to mind.
Of course the whole thing is a bit of mockery, everyone who actually understands rugby knows that Adam Jones is the only real megastar.
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@GibbonRib said in Does Rugby have a Superstar?:
Of course the whole thing is a bit of mockery, everyone who actually understands rugby knows that Adam Jones is the only real megastar.
Who?
Anyway Honey Badger could do it, for different reasons
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Dan was probably the closest thing we had to a Beckham type superstar , men loved him for his rugby, women loved him too for his looks.
But Jonah was the biggest in as far as people knowing who he was all over the globe .
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@MN5 said in Does Rugby have a Superstar?:
I do wonder why Cullens aura isn’t quite up there with Jonahs.
Is it cos he kinda bombed out a bit in the only World Cup he ever played in ?
A casual fan would have easily look at him and marvelled at how good he was.
Cullen had the skills. It was his personality that couldn't take him to the next level. Don't get me wrong, he doesn't come across as an ahole or anything. Some players just resonate with the fans more than others
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@canefan said in Does Rugby have a Superstar?:
@MN5 said in Does Rugby have a Superstar?:
I do wonder why Cullens aura isn’t quite up there with Jonahs.
Is it cos he kinda bombed out a bit in the only World Cup he ever played in ?
A casual fan would have easily look at him and marvelled at how good he was.
Cullen had the skills. It was his personality that couldn't take him to the next level. Don't get me wrong, he doesn't come across as an ahole or anything. Some players just resonate with the fans more than others
He was in the same era as Jonah which hindered him, I don't think it was personality, just this. He was huge at the time, but Jonah was the hugest, and then Hart fucked him.
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@Bones said in Does Rugby have a Superstar?:
SBW was pretty big over in the UK. He was pretty well known amongst Bonesetta's mates and they wouldn't have been able to name anyone in the English side.
Contrast that with Ma’a Nonu who I saw pretty much every Saturday morning when our boys were swimming relaxing like any other parent. Not sure SBW could do that as easily.
He did his best back in the day with his makeup and off field shenanigans but then left that shit to the vastly inferior Gavin Henson and got on with being our best 12 ever.
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Perhaps controversial but I kind of feel to get the audience historically you either had to fuck the UK in a particular play or play for the UK in a world cup winning team, how consistently good they were was almost second.
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I can’t believe there’s any argument. We’ve had a few rugby only superstars, usually along nationalistic lines but there has only been one that truly transcends those nationalistic lines and transcends the sport itself and that is Jonah Lomu.
No one else comes close.
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@Catogrande said in Does Rugby have a Superstar?:
I can’t believe there’s any argument. We’ve had a few rugby only superstars, usually along nationalistic lines but there has only been one that truly transcends those nationalistic lines and transcends the sport itself and that is Jonah Lomu.
No one else comes close.
Nepia (the real one, not me) would have been close in the 20s, although that was limited to rugby playing countries, but he was a huge star in that time and crossed over from rugby (and league) in the NH.
