All Blacks 2023
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@Kiwiwomble embellished for the sake of humor. He's probably the best 6 in the squad, which given we've had 4 years to find a specialist 6 since the last RWC and now looking to play scooter at 6 again for this cycle is kind of sad/disappointing/frustrating.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
Depends if he’s your best fullback or lock
Then it weakens the team more often than not
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Playing a lock at six seems to be this generations version of playing a fullback at centre that other AB coaches have tried and failed in the past.
Yep, but playing fullbacks at centre not always a failure. Same as locks at 6, have a wee peek at Itoje, Courtney Lawes atc, do the job pretty well too.
Oh absolutely.
If said fullback is a relative donkey with questionable pace but physical presence it’s got great potential.
It’s when the fullback in question is more of a fleet footed Cullen/Muliana type that things can go a bit pear shaped.
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
What about the opposite lol. Cullen was a centre long before he was a fullback!!
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
No. But feel free to implement the rule for second five as well.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
What about the opposite lol. Cullen was a centre long before he was a fullback!!
Regardless, the moment he played a test match as fullback that was it, no more centre.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Only in the ignorant parts of the world.
Normally 12 is your 2nd five-eighth.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Only in the ignorant parts of the world.
Normally 12 is your 2nd five-eighth.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
After the shit he got ( on here ) in 2019 I’m amazed that Scott Barrett is the frontrunner for the six jersey to be honest.
The shit wasn't really targeted at SB himself, rather the selectorial decision that saw him wind up playing 6.
Also, Mils was a cracking centre for the Blues in 2003 and it went pear shaped with the more robust Rangi at 13 too. We just need to blanket rule it, no player who has ever worn 15 in a test can play centre.
Does 12 count as centre?
The less educated rugby nations call it "Inside Centre" ...
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Only in the ignorant parts of the world.
Normally 12 is your 2nd five-eighth.
It was a dad joke!
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2023:
Most 12s play inside Centre.
Would have to be a big hungry centre and a small tasty 12 (continuing the dad joke).
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I'd say plenty of Kiwis actually play as inside centre's. Nonu, for example. SBW too. Men relying on power running as a primary weapon.
That they couldn't play 10 at a pinch is a bit of a giveaway that they're not 5-8
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@Chester-Draws Nonu was a great passer of the ball, far better than e.g. Aaron Mauger who most would call a 2nd 5. SBW was just playing league. Neither are great examples.
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As it appears I have to explain MY dad joke ...
... the position name in NZ, being the guardians of all that is decent in rugby, is 2nd Five-Eighth.
It does not depend on the player's style.
It is only the more ignorant parts of the world (which is everywhere else) who refer to the 12 as any sort of "centre".
This is the equivalent of "versing" and apostrophe abuse.
Off to the GOM thread...
And get back on topic the lot of you.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chester-Draws Nonu was a great passer of the ball, far better than e.g. Aaron Mauger who most would call a 2nd 5. SBW was just playing league. Neither are great examples.
Nonu could quite literally do it all.
Just as much a one in a generation player as DC or Richie in my opinion. He just took awhile to shake the one dimensional bulldozer stereotype cos he was very good at doing just that too.
