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  • ChrisC Offline
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    replied to Frank on last edited by
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    @Frank
    Yeah mate me neither.

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    @Frank said in All Blacks 2023:

    In regard to Frizell and Sotutu.
    How about we pick neither?
    Neither have been impressive.
    I have been repeatedly told that I should be impressed by Sotutu, but I never have been.
    As for Frizell, the less said about him the better.

    Pretty hard to disagree, I always been pretty keen on Frizells play, this year not so much, though can understand perhaps why , as Ryan says they looking for hard carrying forward etc. I would of been happy if he missed though. We probably also have to remember that there are still players to be culled before WC, so maybe having a last look at some?

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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:

    I’m not surprised Sotutu didn’t make it but I am disappointed. And the fact he didn’t even make the ABXV suggests more to this than just down on form or not being in the top 10 of this or that.

    I wonder if the Blues gameplan has prevented these guys from showing what they're capable of in the manner the All Black selectors were looking for.

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  • BonesB Offline
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    @antipodean so either McDonald with an FU to Foster, or Foster with an FU to McDonald.

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    replied to Dan54 on last edited by Duluth
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    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 you say that like there aren't several AB match threads with loads of comments along the lines of "whats he done?"...normally stats are the counterargument when people cant see what a player provides when theyre just watching....but very few people see what he provides...and the stats dont paint a different picture....

    Hey I not against everyone having opinion, and some use stats to back them up, but usually stats don't paint the picture. Even Ediie Jones reckons you can't pick teams without watching players live etc, but he get's them all into camp and see how they actually train before naming team. I reckon the best thing on stats was one I heard Tabi Matson speak about on tv when someone quoted stats to him, he says the ones we have access are of very little use in seeing how players went, and then went into explaining the ones they used, which were way over my head. As I say, doesn't stop us being able to have opinions, just most of ours (mine included) are from seeing a fraction of the picture.

    no a single person is saying they dont or you shouldnt watch the game live...almost all of us do...what people are saying is when THEY DO watch...he fails to impress....and then when they look at the stats....they support that he does little impressive

    what youre effectively saying is...what he does...cant be quantified...and is also invisible...but its worth it

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    Interesting to see Havili in those stats, I was wondering if maybe him and Lio-Willie had possibly been mixed up a bit when people kept talking about how Lio-Willie hits hard. I don't see it

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    replied to Kiwiwomble on last edited by
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    @Kiwiwomble I admire your patience.

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    replied to Bones on last edited by
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    @Bones
    It could be Nesbitt does it all the time, Havilli hits hard.

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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    replied to Bones on last edited by
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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Kiwiwomble I admire your patience.

    im a glutton for punishment...Highlanders aren't playing...NPC hasn't started yet....so 🤷🏻♂

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    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 you say that like there aren't several AB match threads with loads of comments along the lines of "whats he done?"...normally stats are the counterargument when people cant see what a player provides when theyre just watching....but very few people see what he provides...and the stats dont paint a different picture....

    Hey I not against everyone having opinion, and some use stats to back them up, but usually stats don't paint the picture. Even Ediie Jones reckons you can't pick teams without watching players live etc, but he get's them all into camp and see how they actually train before naming team. I reckon the best thing on stats was one I heard Tabi Matson speak about on tv when someone quoted stats to him, he says the ones we have access are of very little use in seeing how players went, and then went into explaining the ones they used, which were way over my head. As I say, doesn't stop us being able to have opinions, just most of ours (mine included) are from seeing a fraction of the picture.

    no a single person is saying they dont or you shouldnt watch the game live...almost all of us do...what people are saying is when THEY DO watch...he fails to impress....and then when they look at the stats....they support that he does little impressive

    what youre effectively saying is...what he does...cant be quantified...and is also invisible...but its worth it

    Reuben Thorne has entered the chat.

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  • TimT Away
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    replied to Bones on last edited by
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    @Bones Havili has been an impressive defender since his debut as an injury replacement in the Blues squad.

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    replied to Kiwiwomble on last edited by
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    @Kiwiwomble this is one of the funniest things I've read in a while though. I never thought of that! Eddie Jones is a mastermind eh.

    Even Ediie Jones reckons you can't pick teams without watching players live etc

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    replied to Bones on last edited by
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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Kiwiwomble this is one of the funniest things I've read in a while though. I never thought of that! Eddie Jones is a mastermind eh.

    Even Ediie Jones reckons you can't pick teams without watching players live etc

    Well I would say without fear of being to wrong, he one of the better rugby brains around. He knows how to wind us all up, but by geez he knows rugby.

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    replied to Dan54 on last edited by
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    @Dan54 here's hoping we can find a coach for the AB's that watches rugby.

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  • NepiaN Offline
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    @gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Dan54 you say that like there aren't several AB match threads with loads of comments along the lines of "whats he done?"...normally stats are the counterargument when people cant see what a player provides when theyre just watching....but very few people see what he provides...and the stats dont paint a different picture....

    Hey I not against everyone having opinion, and some use stats to back them up, but usually stats don't paint the picture. Even Ediie Jones reckons you can't pick teams without watching players live etc, but he get's them all into camp and see how they actually train before naming team. I reckon the best thing on stats was one I heard Tabi Matson speak about on tv when someone quoted stats to him, he says the ones we have access are of very little use in seeing how players went, and then went into explaining the ones they used, which were way over my head. As I say, doesn't stop us being able to have opinions, just most of ours (mine included) are from seeing a fraction of the picture.

    no a single person is saying they dont or you shouldnt watch the game live...almost all of us do...what people are saying is when THEY DO watch...he fails to impress....and then when they look at the stats....they support that he does little impressive

    what youre effectively saying is...what he does...cant be quantified...and is also invisible...but its worth it

    Reuben Thorne has entered the chat.

    I couldn't stand Thorne, but I'd take later career and early career Thorne over Frizell in a heartbeat (but Mitchell era Thorne can stay at home with Frizell).

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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    replied to Duluth on last edited by
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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

    But according to Paul Cully this is the key stat that the loosies were selected on.

    Putting individuals and specific stats aside, It's good the AB coaches are being clearer at the start of the season what they want to see from players. Explains SS, where it seems he exceled in some areas but needs some work-on's on others

    Allows players and SR coaches to know and focus on what needed. Up to them if they do or not, but at least the requirements are clearer.

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  • BonesB Offline
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    replied to Victor Meldrew on last edited by
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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

    But according to Paul Cully this is the key stat that the loosies were selected on.

    Putting individuals and specific stats aside, It's good the AB coaches are being clearer at the start of the season what they want to see from players. Explains SS, where it seems he exceled in some areas but needs some work-on's on others

    Allows players and SR coaches to know and focus on what needed. Up to them if they do or not, but at least the requirements are clearer.

    You will go so far out of your way to find positives for Foster.

    I highly doubt this hasn't been a thing for decades.

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

    But according to Paul Cully this is the key stat that the loosies were selected on.

    Putting individuals and specific stats aside, It's good the AB coaches are being clearer at the start of the season what they want to see from players. Explains SS, where it seems he exceled in some areas but needs some work-on's on others

    Allows players and SR coaches to know and focus on what needed. Up to them if they do or not, but at least the requirements are clearer.

    i can accept that with the caveat that his fav's dont get evaluated on the same criteria

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  • NepiaN Offline
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    replied to Victor Meldrew on last edited by
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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

    But according to Paul Cully this is the key stat that the loosies were selected on.

    Putting individuals and specific stats aside, It's good the AB coaches are being clearer at the start of the season what they want to see from players. Explains SS, where it seems he exceled in some areas but needs some work-on's on others

    Allows players and SR coaches to know and focus on what needed. Up to them if they do or not, but at least the requirements are clearer.

    "We want dominant tackles from you loosies. Nah, not you Shannon, just threaten some chicks and whack one of their mates and you're sweet"

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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    replied to Bones on last edited by
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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

    You will go so far out of your way to find positives for Foster.

    It's not a good idea then.

    I highly doubt this hasn't been a thing for decades.

    Oh, hang on..

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