All Blacks 2023
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So we spent a couple of years yelling at Fozzie to put JB into 12, and when he finally does, his Super form drops off to the point that we are quietly pushing for him to be replaced again?
I have watched sweet f-all super rugby this year, but I have that horrible feeling again with us going into a RWC with an unsettled lineup. Other than 9/10, and many don’t think 10 is a lock, the backs are all up in the air still. Does BB play, is RI at 13, is there a place for DH, is WJ deserving of a spot, can we fit LF in, what about ML? Yuck.
In the forwards maybe it’s more settled, tight 5 at least. Loose combo maybe less so but a SB/SC/AS seems fairly likely from where I sit
I hate this uncertainty!
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:
So we spent a couple of years yelling at Fozzie to put JB into 12, and when he finally does, his Super form drops off to the point that we are quietly pushing for him to be replaced again?
I think we have to back him for the opening tests.
Also, Cane will get physically dominated by the top teams, again, so I really hope Foster can see past him. Our ruck ball was so much better with Papalii starting.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph there will at least three NZ teams NOT in the final. ABs will have access to them.
Open training session for ABs been announced at Mt Maunganui on the Friday before the Super final
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:
Does BB play, is RI at 13, is there a place for DH, is WJ deserving of a spot, can we fit LF in, what about ML? Yuck.
He'll probably be our starting fullback. Definitely. Yes. Definitely. Yes. Who is ML?
I reckon it's pretty settled, except injuries are - mainly temporarily - throwing a spanner in the works.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
Who is ML?
Cam Roigard.
Thank goodness. I thought an aged Michael Lynagh was about change countries and get rolled out.
Jordie might not have shown much but given his form hasn’t fallen off a cliff and his surname is Barrett I think he’s a shoe in to start at 12.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
Who is ML?
Cam Roigard.
Yes.
I was just having a go at george posting to see how it went
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
Who is ML?
Cam Roigard.
Yes.
I was just having a go at george posting to see how it went
We no.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
I'd pick him - don't know whether Fozzie will.
He might do if he thinks it worthwhile in the short-term and is less interested in building for the future. I think @KiwiMurph view is pretty much spot-on.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:
I think we have to back him for the opening tests.
Those Tests are going to be absolutely critical with minimal time to settle on playing combinations.
Bit of a mess really.
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@Bones care to expand?
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Exactly what I meant Dan!
ABxv is a team selected by the AB selectors as part of a their overall strategy.
I doubt they would pick a player for that side who they didn’t think they would be able to pick the next level up or if they were tied to another country (which is where the ambiguity comes from)
It’s the best indicator we have that they would select him if they wanted too
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2023:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2023:
So we spent a couple of years yelling at Fozzie to put JB into 12, and when he finally does, his Super form drops off to the point that we are quietly pushing for him to be replaced again?
I think we have to back him for the opening tests.
Also, Cane will get physically dominated by the top teams, again, so I really hope Foster can see past him. Our ruck ball was so much better with Papalii starting.
Evidence on this years' SR is that statement is out of date.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
Jordie might not have shown much but given his form hasn’t fallen off a cliff and his surname is Barrett I think he’s a shoe in to start at 12.
Considering his inexperience at 12 he was pretty solid, if not spectacular, last year - which was a big improvement for the team. He just needs as much game time as possible in that position.
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Is it bad to say this would be my preferred All Black backline?
- Smith
- Mo'unga
- Telea
- Lienert-Brown
- R Ioane
- Jordan
- J Barrett
Many will say that Jordie is our best 12, but I think ALB is our best midfielder, so one of Rieko or Jordie need to drop to the back three. Personally am of the belief that Jordie's aerial game and long punting makes him invaluable at 15. People love Jordan, me included, but I'm not convinced he has the kicking game required of a modern day test fullback.
It matters bugger all what I think though, because I'd bet my house on this being the starting lineup v France (Barring injuries)
- Moody
- Taylor
- Tu'ungafasi
- Retallick
- Whitelock
- S Barrett
- Cane
- Savea
- Smith
- Mo'unga
- Telea
- J Barrett
- Ioane
- Jordan
- B Barrett
