Hurricanes 2023
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@kiwi_expat Ellison is the head coach this year (not last). See how he goes . He's certainly rated highly.
He's likely better off getting head coaching experience first than being pushed into an AB role
Re Holland. He role with the ABs seem to be quite limited. Hopefully it is
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@kiwi_expat said in Hurricanes 2023:
his attack can unlock the porous defense of minnows like Moana Pacifica, Force etc.. without fail every single year
You have not done much research before making the above comment as Mr. Holland's Hurricanes failed to unlock the "porous defence" of Moana Pasifika to any great degree in the Moana Pasifika 24 - 19 win at Mt. Smart last season.
Moana Pasifika stun Hurricanes in extra-time to secure first-ever win
After weeks of Covid uncertainty and season-opening drubbings, Moana Pasifika are finally on the board in Super Rugby Pacific.
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Winger Yeah, Holland will be the assistant of the assistant (MacDonald). I trust Razor's judgement in chosing his assistants. I think Holland will be fine in that role. It's as a Head Coach that he's limited.
Razor said in the article he wants each of his assistants to be heavily involved, clearly all his assistants will contribute in some way towards strategy, tactics, selection & will certainly get the opportunity to offer their opinions and contribute in areas they aren't designated.
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@Higgins canes also lost to the force last year. Also FD this year. Yet beat the Crusaders and Brumbies this year. Won 2 but lost 5 against the top 4 teams
A limited coach but not awful. In some ways a terrible coach to have. Won't be fired by a team like the canes but will never achieve much
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@Winger Holland's been with the Hurricanes for 8 seasons and they have continued to decline since his first year in 2016, the fact remains he's always had one of the best backlines in NZ to work with (if not the best), it's not like Browny's inventiveness at the Highlanders from 2014-2017 or Roger Randle steadily building a lethal multiple threat attack at the Chiefs after inheriting the basket case backline of 2020, he's never had to drag the most out of a limited group.
The Hurricanes have always had among the best attacking players & strongest dynamic ball-runners in NZ (typically of Pacifica & Maori decent) coming through since 2016, that's been a constant since he arrived, the individual brilliance of Perenara, Barrett's, Laumape, Savea, Coles, etc.. have saved many games for Holland.
I'm still unconvinced that he's a decent coach, he was criticized on Munster forums for the lackluster attack over his 4 years as backs coach and also oversaw some pretty unproductive periods for Canterbury in 2013 and 2014, where tries scored were notably down compared to before his tenure (2008-2012) and after (2015-2018).
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Winger Yeah, Holland will be the assistant of the assistant (MacDonald). I trust Razor's judgement in chosing his assistants. I think Holland will be fine in that role. It's as a Head Coach that he's limited.
I really want to emphasize that just because Razor rates Holland it still doesn't mean he's any good, everyone invariably has biases, it's just human nature, Razor also considers Rob Penney very highly when the accounts of former NZ U20 players and also Tahs players is quite damming indeed. Remember how Hansen raved over the abilities of his good mate Fozzie...?
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The pile on with Holland is harsh.
The Hurricanes consistently have had a strong attack under Holland and have done well with usually an underpowered forward pack and a limited 10.
The Canes set piece attack has been consistently strong - i'm excited to see what he can do under Razor
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Classic yarns with the retiring Dane Coles. Funny that he almost joined the Landers.
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@kiwi_expat this is mostly rubbish. He has had some good attacking players, but definitely 4th of the 5 NZ teams. I think there has been a fair bit of exaggeration about how bad the Hurricanes have been this year and for very small margins they'd be in the semis.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:
Classic yarns with the retiring Dane Coles. Funny that he almost joined the Landers.
Better than the usual stuff from Sky. Wheeler was good too apart from the awkward fluffing at the end
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@TJ said in Hurricanes 2023:
@kiwi_expat this is mostly rubbish. He has had some good attacking players, but definitely 4th of the 5 NZ teams. I think there has been a fair bit of exaggeration about how bad the Hurricanes have been this year and for very small margins they'd be in the semis.
But once again they aren't (in the semis). That's the issue. I'd like to compete with the best not just make up the numbers. My view is the players are good enough to do much better. And at the end we had few injuries yet we still failed.
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What Tahs players comments were damming or NZ u/20 players I do not remember reading that anywhere
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Hurricanes awards for 2023
Player of the year: Billy Proctor
Under 20 player of the year: Harry Godfrey
Best and fairest: Ardie Savea
Rookie of the year: Harry Godfrey
Members player of the year: Cam Roigard
Hunter of the year: TK Howden
Most improved player: Devan Flanders
Team man of the year: Jamie Booth
Surf to peak champion: Billy Proctor -
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:
Hurricanes awards for 2023
Player of the year: Billy Proctor >> Roigard for me but Proctor was VG
Under 20 player of the year: Harry Godfrey
Best and fairest: Ardie Savea
Rookie of the year: Harry Godfrey
Members player of the year: Cam Roigard
Hunter of the year: TK Howden
Most improved player: Devan Flanders. Others to improve were Numia, Aumua, Delany, Kirifi & Roigard
Team man of the year: Jamie Booth. I wouldn't give him any award. He went back a lot this year. But it explains his continuous selection. Hope this stops under Laidlaw. Start the best not just those with the best attitude
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Must do better: Is it too harsh to say Jordie Barrett cost the Hurricanes a place in the semifinals? The All Black had a pretty average season by his lofty standards. By the end he had conceded the goalkicking duties to Brett Cameron and his failure to release a pass to an unmarked teammate in the dying stages of their quarterfinal proved costly when Ardie Savea was held up over the line in the very next play.
Giving up the goal kicking was the right thing to do. Cameron is just better. As he showed when he kicked them all bar 1. But his white-line-fever mistake was a mistake I hope he never makes again. It wouldn't be so bad if the Canes were still missing Cameron (as they wouldn't have had a hope in hell of winning) But they had a chance of fluking two more wins with the team almost back to full strength.
And the coaches I would give a D-. Too many bad selections (like Booth starting Iose in the last game, Sinkinson -defended well enough but offer almost nothing on attack - and one lock starting with Bl). Had the players to go all the way but blew it. I only hope Laidlaw doesn't continue to make basic mistakes in selecting the team. And massively improves the teams defense and slightly improves our attack.
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Pouri Rakete Stones has extended his stay at Hurricanes but only for the one extra year , I suspect a change of forwards coach may have influenced his decision to stay the extra year
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@Steven-Harris that's good news. I feel like he got little game time but for no real reason. Was one of our better forwards past few seasons IMO.
