All Blacks 2023
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
I honestly think the Aussies have more of a handle on this with Carter Gordon of the Rebels.
The rest of the Aussie first fives apart from Gordon are not up to much I don't believe Australia are ahead of us in developing First fives.
I think the Australian teams would jump at having Mounga,Cameron and Barrett in their starting fifteens. -
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
Mounga and Barrett are where our depth will be tested next year. It is possible we may use guys like Moorby, Love, Sullivan, Heem by interchanging their positions and getting them to specialize more as 10s.
Cameron was class for the canes until he was injured. His defense and robustness may be an issue though.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
Mounga and Barrett are where our depth will be tested next year. It is possible we may use guys like Moorby, Love, Sullivan, Heem by interchanging their positions and getting them to specialize more as 10s.
Why would they try to convert players like Moorby, Heem and even Love into 10s, when there are genuine 10s available? Love has potential as fullback, but he hasn't been convincing at 10 just yet. Heem and Moorby aren't even close to being considered as 10s. I'd rather see them develop young 10s with potential.
For next year's 10 jersey and back-ups I see Dmac, Perofeta and Sullivan, with Godfrey as the up-and-comer.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
Mounga and Barrett are where our depth will be tested next year. It is possible we may use guys like Moorby, Love, Sullivan, Heem by interchanging their positions and getting them to specialize more as 10s.
Why would they try to convert players like Moorby, Heem and even Love into 10s, when there are genuine 10s available? Love has potential as fullback, but he hasn't been convincing at 10 just yet. Heem and Moorby aren't even close to being considered as 10s. I'd rather see them develop young 10s with potential.
For next year's 10 jersey and back-ups I see Dmac, Perofeta and Sullivan, with Godfrey as the up-and-comer.
Don't forget Burke. I am not saying he is showing AB quality but given the dearth of options I think he'll be in the conversation.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
Today I watched the YouTube highlights of NZ V France at Forsyth Barr in 2018.
DMAC at 10.
He was superb !!
Scored two tries and caused havoc.
The back line that day was :
Smith
DMAC
Ioane
SBW
Goodhue
Naholo
Ben SmithHook it into my veins.
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@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Hurricanes:
DMac has done enough to be given a shot at 10 in a black jersey prior to the World Cup. Up to him what he does with it.
Which of the following fixtures would you give him?
vs Oz @ MCG
vs Springboks @ Mount Smart Stadium
vs Pumas @ Mendoza
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Hurricanes:
DMac has done enough to be given a shot at 10 in a black jersey prior to the World Cup. Up to him what he does with it.
Which of the following fixtures would you give him?
vs Oz @ MCG
vs Springboks @ Mount Smart Stadium
vs Pumas @ Mendoza
vs Oz @ Forsyth BarrWith the way the schedule is set up i'd probably give him Wallabies @ MCG. Realistically Pumas at Mendoza might be his best bet as ABs will likely have to split teams with the Bok game only 6 days later.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Hurricanes:
DMac has done enough to be given a shot at 10 in a black jersey prior to the World Cup. Up to him what he does with it.
Which of the following fixtures would you give him?
vs Oz @ MCG
vs Springboks @ Mount Smart Stadium
vs Pumas @ Mendoza
vs Oz @ Forsyth BarrWith the way the schedule is set up i'd probably give him Wallabies @ MCG. Realistically Pumas at Mendoza might be his best bet as ABs will likely have to split teams with the Bok game only 6 days later.
I was thinking the MCG fixture as well, but I doubt the coaches would give him the first attempt. I suspect that Richie will be given one and Beaudy the other if they do split the squad, which would likely mean DMac will have to impress from the bench.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Hurricanes:
DMac has done enough to be given a shot at 10 in a black jersey prior to the World Cup. Up to him what he does with it.
Which of the following fixtures would you give him?
vs Oz @ MCG
vs Springboks @ Mount Smart Stadium
vs Pumas @ Mendoza
vs Oz @ Forsyth BarrWith the way the schedule is set up i'd probably give him Wallabies @ MCG. Realistically Pumas at Mendoza might be his best bet as ABs will likely have to split teams with the Bok game only 6 days later.
I was thinking the MCG fixture as well, but I doubt the coaches would give him the first attempt. I suspect that Richie will be given one and Beaudy the other if they do split the squad, which would likely mean DMac will have to impress from the bench.
Just a note the MCG game is 3rd, to be played after the Puma and Bok game.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Hurricanes:
DMac has done enough to be given a shot at 10 in a black jersey prior to the World Cup. Up to him what he does with it.
Which of the following fixtures would you give him?
vs Oz @ MCG
vs Springboks @ Mount Smart Stadium
vs Pumas @ Mendoza
vs Oz @ Forsyth BarrWith the way the schedule is set up i'd probably give him Wallabies @ MCG. Realistically Pumas at Mendoza might be his best bet as ABs will likely have to split teams with the Bok game only 6 days later.
I was thinking the MCG fixture as well, but I doubt the coaches would give him the first attempt. I suspect that Richie will be given one and Beaudy the other if they do split the squad, which would likely mean DMac will have to impress from the bench.
Just a note the MCG game is 3rd, to be played after the Puma and Bok game.
Quite right. I ignorantly thought the All Blacks website would list fixtures by descending date.
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I give up if tuipolotu is selected. Hopeless at international level.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:
I give up if tuipolotu is selected. Hopeless at international level.
I think its our pattern of play that's partly the problem. We don't seem to recognise that the nations we play aren't outclassed in fitness or skill sufficiently anymore, so big bodies aren't utilised as well. NH nations like France know how to make big bodies work at club and international level.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:
I give up if tuipolotu is selected. Hopeless at international level.
I think its our pattern of play that's partly the problem. We don't seem to recognise that the nations we play aren't outclassed in fitness or skill sufficiently anymore, so big bodies aren't utilised as well. NH nations like France know how to make big bodies work at club and international level.
Based on how Fozzie had us play in the first half of the year, he still thinks we can run them all over the park and the opposition will be gassed with 20 to play
