All Blacks 2023
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
Mounga and Barrett are where our depth will be tested next year. It is possible we may use guys like Moorby, Love, Sullivan, Heem by interchanging their positions and getting them to specialize more as 10s.
Why would they try to convert players like Moorby, Heem and even Love into 10s, when there are genuine 10s available? Love has potential as fullback, but he hasn't been convincing at 10 just yet. Heem and Moorby aren't even close to being considered as 10s. I'd rather see them develop young 10s with potential.
For next year's 10 jersey and back-ups I see Dmac, Perofeta and Sullivan, with Godfrey as the up-and-comer.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
Mounga and Barrett are where our depth will be tested next year. It is possible we may use guys like Moorby, Love, Sullivan, Heem by interchanging their positions and getting them to specialize more as 10s.
Why would they try to convert players like Moorby, Heem and even Love into 10s, when there are genuine 10s available? Love has potential as fullback, but he hasn't been convincing at 10 just yet. Heem and Moorby aren't even close to being considered as 10s. I'd rather see them develop young 10s with potential.
For next year's 10 jersey and back-ups I see Dmac, Perofeta and Sullivan, with Godfrey as the up-and-comer.
Don't forget Burke. I am not saying he is showing AB quality but given the dearth of options I think he'll be in the conversation.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
Today I watched the YouTube highlights of NZ V France at Forsyth Barr in 2018.
DMAC at 10.
He was superb !!
Scored two tries and caused havoc.
The back line that day was :
Smith
DMAC
Ioane
SBW
Goodhue
Naholo
Ben SmithHook it into my veins.
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@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Hurricanes:
DMac has done enough to be given a shot at 10 in a black jersey prior to the World Cup. Up to him what he does with it.
Which of the following fixtures would you give him?
vs Oz @ MCG
vs Springboks @ Mount Smart Stadium
vs Pumas @ Mendoza
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Hurricanes:
DMac has done enough to be given a shot at 10 in a black jersey prior to the World Cup. Up to him what he does with it.
Which of the following fixtures would you give him?
vs Oz @ MCG
vs Springboks @ Mount Smart Stadium
vs Pumas @ Mendoza
vs Oz @ Forsyth BarrWith the way the schedule is set up i'd probably give him Wallabies @ MCG. Realistically Pumas at Mendoza might be his best bet as ABs will likely have to split teams with the Bok game only 6 days later.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Hurricanes:
DMac has done enough to be given a shot at 10 in a black jersey prior to the World Cup. Up to him what he does with it.
Which of the following fixtures would you give him?
vs Oz @ MCG
vs Springboks @ Mount Smart Stadium
vs Pumas @ Mendoza
vs Oz @ Forsyth BarrWith the way the schedule is set up i'd probably give him Wallabies @ MCG. Realistically Pumas at Mendoza might be his best bet as ABs will likely have to split teams with the Bok game only 6 days later.
I was thinking the MCG fixture as well, but I doubt the coaches would give him the first attempt. I suspect that Richie will be given one and Beaudy the other if they do split the squad, which would likely mean DMac will have to impress from the bench.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Hurricanes:
DMac has done enough to be given a shot at 10 in a black jersey prior to the World Cup. Up to him what he does with it.
Which of the following fixtures would you give him?
vs Oz @ MCG
vs Springboks @ Mount Smart Stadium
vs Pumas @ Mendoza
vs Oz @ Forsyth BarrWith the way the schedule is set up i'd probably give him Wallabies @ MCG. Realistically Pumas at Mendoza might be his best bet as ABs will likely have to split teams with the Bok game only 6 days later.
I was thinking the MCG fixture as well, but I doubt the coaches would give him the first attempt. I suspect that Richie will be given one and Beaudy the other if they do split the squad, which would likely mean DMac will have to impress from the bench.
Just a note the MCG game is 3rd, to be played after the Puma and Bok game.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs v Hurricanes:
DMac has done enough to be given a shot at 10 in a black jersey prior to the World Cup. Up to him what he does with it.
Which of the following fixtures would you give him?
vs Oz @ MCG
vs Springboks @ Mount Smart Stadium
vs Pumas @ Mendoza
vs Oz @ Forsyth BarrWith the way the schedule is set up i'd probably give him Wallabies @ MCG. Realistically Pumas at Mendoza might be his best bet as ABs will likely have to split teams with the Bok game only 6 days later.
I was thinking the MCG fixture as well, but I doubt the coaches would give him the first attempt. I suspect that Richie will be given one and Beaudy the other if they do split the squad, which would likely mean DMac will have to impress from the bench.
Just a note the MCG game is 3rd, to be played after the Puma and Bok game.
Quite right. I ignorantly thought the All Blacks website would list fixtures by descending date.
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I give up if tuipolotu is selected. Hopeless at international level.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:
I give up if tuipolotu is selected. Hopeless at international level.
I think its our pattern of play that's partly the problem. We don't seem to recognise that the nations we play aren't outclassed in fitness or skill sufficiently anymore, so big bodies aren't utilised as well. NH nations like France know how to make big bodies work at club and international level.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:
I give up if tuipolotu is selected. Hopeless at international level.
I think its our pattern of play that's partly the problem. We don't seem to recognise that the nations we play aren't outclassed in fitness or skill sufficiently anymore, so big bodies aren't utilised as well. NH nations like France know how to make big bodies work at club and international level.
Based on how Fozzie had us play in the first half of the year, he still thinks we can run them all over the park and the opposition will be gassed with 20 to play
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
Quite right. I ignorantly thought the All Blacks website would list fixtures by descending date.
First time on that particular website?
They are fucking retards.
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In the midfield, I reckon most likely it will be Jordie and Rieko, with Havili and ALB as the back-ups.
But then - in case we need another - who - out of:
Tupaea, Ennor, RTS, Goodhue, Aumua, Nankivell, Heem, Sullivan, Proctor - and anyone else who might realistically be in the frame?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
in the midfield, I reckon most likely it will be Jordie and Rieko, with Havili and ALB as the back-ups.
I think you are 100% that barring injury those 4 will go,D Mac,Jordan,BB and Jordie can all cover FB ,
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@Chris We've got so much utility in our team already, I'm not sure it will be a prized trait.
Important question for me is whether we go with a 18/15 or 19/14 split between forwards and backs.
Given the above utility comment, I'm somewhat leaning to 19/14. Depends on who they decide is the first choice fullback - Beaudy is the incumbent and if he stays there (or is replaced by DMac) we probably need one less back.
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Backline squad last WC had 11 players (not counting 9s).
A guess at where the selectors might go..2 10s (Mounga, DMac)
4 Midfielders (JB, RI, ALB, Havili)
3 wings (Telea, Jordan, Narawa)
2 Fullbacks (Stevenson, BB)Coverage would be
10 - 3 (4 with Havili)
12 - 3
13 - 2
11/14 - 5
15 - 6Obvious thing there is that 15 is too well covered. Out and wings a bit light. 13 also a bit light.
Could use one of the extra squad spots (from size increase) for a Wing/Centre. They are probably looking at Ennor but Heem would be an option. Given the lack of depth at 13 I wonder if Proctor could be the bolter? Not sure how we get him game time except during minnow games but it does balance things a bit better.
I'm not too concerned about wings. For minnow games there are plenty of players that can have a run there.
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