Super Rugby 2023
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Well I opposite to you old sour pusses. I quite happily travel to a couple of super games a year, will keep doing it, I a member of Taranaki supporters etc, and u sually try and do a test!
I do understand like any sports some get a little tired of it after a few years, look at almost any sports, generally why the all looking to bring in new spectators.Nothing changed for me either. Still enjoy watching rugby as before, from 1st XV level to test rugby, with NPC being the pinnacle.
I also still remember how positive everyone was after the first few weeks of SRP, this year. How everyone enjoyed how the ball was in play more, less time wasting etc. That has been quickly forgotten. Why?
It certainly doesn't help shoehorning byes & rest weeks for players in a 4 month competition with a 14 game regular season, compare it to the NH club seasons and it's a joke. I'm incensed over it personally, I put a lot more energy into following and watching NZ sides and their players in Super Rugby than international rugby. I just want this competition to be as good as it deserves to be.
It's what it is. NH teams are much bigger squads, and rotate their players heaps! They take players out for 6Ns autumn tests etc while comp is on and you know what, they live with it. There is no perfect comp with test rugby being part of picture, and the shoehrning the byes in a few weeks is prefrable to me, as there was it kind of evens things out for all teams where some got them early or late in season etc., Mate if we made every team play every week and made players play every game we would have moans because the players are stuffed at pointy part of season.
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@kiwi_expat Mate the trouble is Aussies want 5 teams, now they got them they want kiwis to fill up their teams. Isn't it about time the Aussies just manned up? And why the f*** would someone like Rettalick want to play for an Aussie team anyway, and I would hate seeing any ABs in Tahs/Reds/Brumbies etc. One of the huge problems in RA is probably coaching and management of players and teams, and why stuff up our players with it? And how the f*** are you going to contract players through different rugby unions?
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@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Mate if we made every team play every week and made players play every game we would have moans because the players are stuffed at pointy part of season.
SR coaches should rest their players when they want to, the upcoming int. campaign is not their problem.
Your mindset of treating Super Rugby as a warm-up for the international season is exactly what's wrong.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Mate if we made every team play every week and made players play every game we would have moans because the players are stuffed at pointy part of season.
SR coaches should rest their players when they want, the All Black season is not their problem.
Yep and you hit exactly nail on head why ABs shouldn't play for Aus teams. See NZR pays the ABs wages (and keeps them playing in NZ teams) so they have every right to suggest that players aren't completely burnt out when they begin that part of employment? And also SR coaches surely want same thing, there players to still be in top nick to play test rugby.
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@Stargazer I actually agree. Opening eligibility seems highly unlikely to address the imbalance, particularly when the NZ sides will still have roughly double the operating budget.
Really should've just stuck with a domestic competition on both sides with a couple of trans- Ta$man games at the end.
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@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 You've cracked it there mate. I think you should write to RA detailing how they should 'man up'. I'm sure they'd be curious to know this one simple step they can take to solve all of Rugby's problems.
Not sure I was talking about rugby's problems, simply saying why I don't agree with idea of NZ players (or ABs) should play in Aussie teams. All I suggesting is to stop assuming it's up to NZ to fill up their teams with quality players. Someone has t realise it's not always everyone else's fault some of the Aussie teams are not competing well. Brumbies have no problems, and I get feeling a team like Rebels is well on way to do exactly that. 'manning up' (as you well know what I mean) and seem to be setting up and keeping a good coaching team, as well as improving player stocks. See I don't believe the comp will ever be made better by trying to weaken kiwi teams(even to help Aus teams) but for them to strengthen their teams. I would be absolutely stoked if Aus teams were all more competitive.
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@Dan54 well it's only NZRU's responsibility in so far as they want a healthy competition in which to blood potential All Blacks. And presumably to provide entertainment to fans (very much a secondary priority to all involved in managing SR). You act like they get nothing out of Super Rugby.
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@Derpus Yep I do think NZR have a responsibility mate, but seems you don't think it's also RA's to build Aussie's teams, you know they can strengthen their teams from anywhwere in world (not just NZ), and even do things like setting up a secondary comp (NRC etc) to help build depth. NZR's very first job is to look after NZ rugby, same as RA's is to look after Australian rugby, Fiji's is to look after Fijian rugby etc.
I know there no easy answer, but the main one isn't for NZ to supply the playing talent, we are in a position where as I said RA wants/needs 5 teams, so probably have to find way to full them. You know they can get and do have NZ players over there already don't you, and it's not a problem. -
@Dan54 New Zealand already is contributing significantly to the depth of Aussie rugby it is not like it is not already happening. If you were to go to grassroots levels and feeder teams to the Aussie franchises I am very sure that a significant number of their up and coming players are also Kiwis or of Kiwi descent in some way. The Aussie teams haven't done too badly this year, no real blowout scorelines other than the Blues game.
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This looks like the most even round of the competition so far
Chiefs/Crusaders, Hurricanes/Brumbies are right next to each other on the table
Drua are a lot harder at home and should be tricky for the Blues
Tahs/Highlanders, Reds/Force looked evenly matched
Even MP has a decent chance to break thier duck vs the Rebels at Mt Smart
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@Duluth said in Super Rugby 2023:
This looks like the most even round of the competition so far
Chiefs/Crusaders, Hurricanes/Brumbies are right next to each other on the table
Drua are a lot harder at home and should be tricky for the Blues
Tahs/Highlanders, Reds/Force looked evenly matched
Even MP has a decent chance to break thier duck vs the Rebels at Mt Smart
I am so scared to tip on this one. It is flip of a coin stuff on the winner but that also doesn't mean that the scores will be close
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apparently this week is the "Culture Round"....not sure what exactly thats going to entail? is this the "heritage round" with a new name and so some aussie teams will crack out a retro jersey etc?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2023:
apparently this week is the "Culture Round"....not sure what exactly thats going to entail? is this the "heritage round" with a new name and so some aussie teams will crack out a retro jersey etc?
A recognition that Australian rugby is dependent on brown people?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2023:
apparently this week is the "Culture Round"....not sure what exactly thats going to entail? is this the "heritage round" with a new name and so some aussie teams will crack out a retro jersey etc?
Aussie teams have been named with flags of their heritage, and player with Maoti etc have the Maori flag alongside etc.
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Hore nails the issue I reckon. And incredible figures comparing NRL to Super; $100M vs $16M in '96, and now NRL has gone from 16 to more than $400M. Compared to NRL and NH comps, Super has gone backwards bigtime.
Hore's been very impressive at the Blues; hope this gets a discussion started inside NZR because if they keep going down this road they will lose. If NRL was prime time in NZ, I think you'd lose a huge number of viewers to it; it's demonstrably a better, more enjoyable product (that I'm not interested in, to be clear)
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@Tim yep nailed it, exactly my sentiment.
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"Like, would you believe, Super Rugby does not even have its own administration, its own board, its own leadership and decision-making structure. The intent is there, but common ground has been difficult to find."
“For it to become the competition we want it to be we need to have people working on it 24/7 and to do that you need to build capacity and strategic direction,” adds the Blues boss. ”We need an independent board like the NRL, like the AFL, which enables an independent management team to be built which can then be thinking, growing and developing the competition.”
"Hore sees two pathways for NZ Rugby and their mates in Australia. “Either you go like cricket and run little high-performance hubs and basically diminish what we have; or if you want to thrive and challenge the NRL and AFL we’ve got to invest, to allow people to be thinking about it every day and we’ve got to think big. That’s also going to take some empowerment for people."
“We need to be fan-centric, and at the moment we’re high-performance-centric and the balance isn’t quite right. It’s about what the fan wants, what they need to see, and that can sometimes go against high performance.”
“At the moment we’re still hitched to the national bodies, and they’re not necessarily motivated to make franchises better. That’s the issue. The national bodies need to decide: do we want to build a product that everyone’s going to cherish and reinvest in; or do we want to run it, and own everything?"
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2023:
"Like, would you believe, Super Rugby does not even have its own administration, its own board, its own leadership and decision-making structure. The intent is there, but common ground has been difficult to find."
“For it to become the competition we want it to be we need to have people working on it 24/7 and to do that you need to build capacity and strategic direction,” adds the Blues boss. ”We need an independent board like the NRL, like the AFL, which enables an independent management team to be built which can then be thinking, growing and developing the competition.”
"Hore sees two pathways for NZ Rugby and their mates in Australia. “Either you go like cricket and run little high-performance hubs and basically diminish what we have; or if you want to thrive and challenge the NRL and AFL we’ve got to invest, to allow people to be thinking about it every day and we’ve got to think big. That’s also going to take some empowerment for people."
“We need to be fan-centric, and at the moment we’re high-performance-centric and the balance isn’t quite right. It’s about what the fan wants, what they need to see, and that can sometimes go against high performance.”
“At the moment we’re still hitched to the national bodies, and they’re not necessarily motivated to make franchises better. That’s the issue. The national bodies need to decide: do we want to build a product that everyone’s going to cherish and reinvest in; or do we want to run it, and own everything?"
Fuck me, lets create the board and put that man in charge, love everything he said. We really do need to look at the AFL and figure out how they have some of the highest attendance figures on a regular basis.
