Super Rugby 2023
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2023:
"Compare Super Rugby to the French TOP 14, English Premiership and South Africa’s new partners in Europe, the United Rugby Championship, and the former premier domestic competition in the world is almost half the length."
dont the NH teams have multiple comps running, through the year they end up with more games IIRC?
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when you have mandates to sit players during the year combined with a ridiculous structure where two thirds of the friggen comp make finals, the Waratahs made the only decision they should make. I don't blame them at all.
I have more ire for the Brumbies, that was sheer cowardice.
Super Rugby is preaseason but we are supposed to care enough to play fuck loads for it. Eat a dick administrators.
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Well I opposite to you old sour pusses. I quite happily travel to a couple of super games a year, will keep doing it, I a member of Taranaki supporters etc, and u sually try and do a test!
I do understand like any sports some get a little tired of it after a few years, look at almost any sports, generally why the all looking to bring in new spectators.Nothing changed for me either. Still enjoy watching rugby as before, from 1st XV level to test rugby, with NPC being the pinnacle.
I also still remember how positive everyone was after the first few weeks of SRP, this year. How everyone enjoyed how the ball was in play more, less time wasting etc. That has been quickly forgotten. Why?
It certainly doesn't help shoehorning byes & rest weeks for players in a 4 month competition with a 14 game regular season, compare it to the NH club seasons and it's a joke. I'm incensed over it personally, I put a lot more energy into following and watching NZ sides and their players in Super Rugby than international rugby. I just want this competition to be as good as it deserves to be.
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"The key to it though... I believe it's going to take that separation of governance, so it's still national body-owned but run independently. That's going to be really important."
"We need competitive fixtures, so looking at the way we even the teams up will be vitally important. We desperately underspend in events and marketing, when you compare us to those other competitions."
"We need to sell the opportunity to our national bodies that, if they give us license and ability to do the things we need to do and investment into the competition, I genuinely believe we can get Super Rugby back to being the No.1 competition in the world."
"We can't think like we're just five clubs working through to NZR or five to Australia," he told Breakdown. "We've got to think of ourselves as a competition, and we've got to think about how to make our competition appealing to the public and the fan."
"That's moving away from our traditional roots of being a high performance-only sort of product."
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
when you have mandates to sit players during the year combined with a ridiculous structure where two thirds of the friggen comp make finals, the Waratahs made the only decision they should make. I don't blame them at all.
I have more ire for the Brumbies, that was sheer cowardice.
Super Rugby is preaseason but we are supposed to care enough to play fuck loads for it. Eat a dick administrators.
Obviously the first thing that needs happen is NZRU making players based in Australia still eligible for the All Blacks and vice-versa with the Wallabies. Could maybe work on a loan system like with UK football?
A guy like Riley Higgins isn't getting any playing time with the Canes this year. Imagine the benefit for young Aussie players that could learn in the NZ system for the first couple years of their professional careers, it would be massively beneficial for those guys.
All Blacks or fringe players playing in Australia helps both nations. You'd get way better engagement from NZ fans if say Brodie Rettalick was turning out for the Tahs, and the Aussie teams would be better as their biggest problem is depth from 23 onwards, and the All Blacks could cap the likes of Ekuasi if they suddenly start tearing up trees.
The Australia v NZ paradigm is the biggest constraint to the success of Super Rugby.
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Geez, the pieces of that broken record are becoming smaller and smaller.
Why would we trust the Aussies with the player management of our All Blacks?
Why would we leave the development of our own young players to the Aussies?
Why would we help develop young Aussie players?I'd hate seeing Retallick in a Tahs jersey.
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@kiwi_expat I agree with very little of that
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:
Geez, the pieces of that broken record are becoming smaller and smaller.
Why would we trust the Aussies with the player management of our All Blacks?
Why would we leave the development of our own young players to the Aussies?
Why would we help develop young Aussie players?I'd hate seeing Retallick in a Tahs jersey.
I agree with basically all of this
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Well I opposite to you old sour pusses. I quite happily travel to a couple of super games a year, will keep doing it, I a member of Taranaki supporters etc, and u sually try and do a test!
I do understand like any sports some get a little tired of it after a few years, look at almost any sports, generally why the all looking to bring in new spectators.Nothing changed for me either. Still enjoy watching rugby as before, from 1st XV level to test rugby, with NPC being the pinnacle.
I also still remember how positive everyone was after the first few weeks of SRP, this year. How everyone enjoyed how the ball was in play more, less time wasting etc. That has been quickly forgotten. Why?
It certainly doesn't help shoehorning byes & rest weeks for players in a 4 month competition with a 14 game regular season, compare it to the NH club seasons and it's a joke. I'm incensed over it personally, I put a lot more energy into following and watching NZ sides and their players in Super Rugby than international rugby. I just want this competition to be as good as it deserves to be.
It's what it is. NH teams are much bigger squads, and rotate their players heaps! They take players out for 6Ns autumn tests etc while comp is on and you know what, they live with it. There is no perfect comp with test rugby being part of picture, and the shoehrning the byes in a few weeks is prefrable to me, as there was it kind of evens things out for all teams where some got them early or late in season etc., Mate if we made every team play every week and made players play every game we would have moans because the players are stuffed at pointy part of season.
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@kiwi_expat Mate the trouble is Aussies want 5 teams, now they got them they want kiwis to fill up their teams. Isn't it about time the Aussies just manned up? And why the f*** would someone like Rettalick want to play for an Aussie team anyway, and I would hate seeing any ABs in Tahs/Reds/Brumbies etc. One of the huge problems in RA is probably coaching and management of players and teams, and why stuff up our players with it? And how the f*** are you going to contract players through different rugby unions?
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@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Mate if we made every team play every week and made players play every game we would have moans because the players are stuffed at pointy part of season.
SR coaches should rest their players when they want to, the upcoming int. campaign is not their problem.
Your mindset of treating Super Rugby as a warm-up for the international season is exactly what's wrong.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Mate if we made every team play every week and made players play every game we would have moans because the players are stuffed at pointy part of season.
SR coaches should rest their players when they want, the All Black season is not their problem.
Yep and you hit exactly nail on head why ABs shouldn't play for Aus teams. See NZR pays the ABs wages (and keeps them playing in NZ teams) so they have every right to suggest that players aren't completely burnt out when they begin that part of employment? And also SR coaches surely want same thing, there players to still be in top nick to play test rugby.
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@Stargazer I actually agree. Opening eligibility seems highly unlikely to address the imbalance, particularly when the NZ sides will still have roughly double the operating budget.
Really should've just stuck with a domestic competition on both sides with a couple of trans- Ta$man games at the end.
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@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 You've cracked it there mate. I think you should write to RA detailing how they should 'man up'. I'm sure they'd be curious to know this one simple step they can take to solve all of Rugby's problems.
Not sure I was talking about rugby's problems, simply saying why I don't agree with idea of NZ players (or ABs) should play in Aussie teams. All I suggesting is to stop assuming it's up to NZ to fill up their teams with quality players. Someone has t realise it's not always everyone else's fault some of the Aussie teams are not competing well. Brumbies have no problems, and I get feeling a team like Rebels is well on way to do exactly that. 'manning up' (as you well know what I mean) and seem to be setting up and keeping a good coaching team, as well as improving player stocks. See I don't believe the comp will ever be made better by trying to weaken kiwi teams(even to help Aus teams) but for them to strengthen their teams. I would be absolutely stoked if Aus teams were all more competitive.
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@Dan54 well it's only NZRU's responsibility in so far as they want a healthy competition in which to blood potential All Blacks. And presumably to provide entertainment to fans (very much a secondary priority to all involved in managing SR). You act like they get nothing out of Super Rugby.
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@Derpus Yep I do think NZR have a responsibility mate, but seems you don't think it's also RA's to build Aussie's teams, you know they can strengthen their teams from anywhwere in world (not just NZ), and even do things like setting up a secondary comp (NRC etc) to help build depth. NZR's very first job is to look after NZ rugby, same as RA's is to look after Australian rugby, Fiji's is to look after Fijian rugby etc.
I know there no easy answer, but the main one isn't for NZ to supply the playing talent, we are in a position where as I said RA wants/needs 5 teams, so probably have to find way to full them. You know they can get and do have NZ players over there already don't you, and it's not a problem. -
@Dan54 New Zealand already is contributing significantly to the depth of Aussie rugby it is not like it is not already happening. If you were to go to grassroots levels and feeder teams to the Aussie franchises I am very sure that a significant number of their up and coming players are also Kiwis or of Kiwi descent in some way. The Aussie teams haven't done too badly this year, no real blowout scorelines other than the Blues game.
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This looks like the most even round of the competition so far
Chiefs/Crusaders, Hurricanes/Brumbies are right next to each other on the table
Drua are a lot harder at home and should be tricky for the Blues
Tahs/Highlanders, Reds/Force looked evenly matched
Even MP has a decent chance to break thier duck vs the Rebels at Mt Smart
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