Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes
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@Machpants said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
While I'm happy the Canes got a very good win, I'm not happy to see MP trashed this way. I really want them to do well. Maybe they need another coach, who can get more out of his players. One important thing in which they haven't succeeded thus far is luring the big guns back from Europe and Japan. It would make a heck of a difference if they could field players like Ben Tameifuna, Charles Piutau and Malakai Fekitoa (etc). The money overseas is too good, I guess.
Yup, there is no reason why those guys go from (in some cases) a million a year to 50k. Any MP player that comes good will instantly get a contract in NH, as there is no reason for them to stay in SR. They'll still get picked for country and also paid a ton more
Surely their best players would get a lot more than 50k. But agree it would still be a lot less than the best in the NH or Japan get
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@Derpus said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life Moana Pacifika are shite. Basically a home for retirees or blokes waiting to be pinched by the ABs or northern hemisphere.
Why would the ABs want to pick up players you consider are shite?
Just finished watching the full replay and there was some lovely stuff from the Hurricanes. Even the best of teams wouldn’t have been able to stop some of those onslaughts.
I just want to make a shoutout to Billy Proctor, he’s been rock solid all year for us at centre and he once again showed that he’s highly capable on both sides of the ball. He’s always been a solid defender but his distribution game has improved immensely over the last year. Arguably the top performing centre in NZ rugby to start the year. Probably deserves a rest next week though.
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@Canes4life Agree about Proctor. He has looked slick at centre. I'd also be interested to to see how the partnership with Sullivan progresses.
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@Jailbreak7 said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life Agree about Proctor. He has looked slick at centre. I'd also be interested to to see how the partnership with Sullivan progresses.
I don’t think that partnership will have much opportunity to progress with Jordie most likely coming back in at 12 next week and the rise of Riley Higgins imminent.
Plenty of depth in the centres and I haven’t even mentioned PUJ yet.
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@akan004 said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@akan004 said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
I don't get the hype surrounding Lakai. Seems average from what I have seen.
You obviously haven’t watched any rugby for about the last half a year. He’s clearly a very good rugby player. At only 19 he’s mature beyond his years.
By the way he’s usually an 8, not a 7.
I said he's overhyped but I didn't realise he was only 19 when I made that comment. Some of the chat is over the top though, Stephen Donald said on SENZ the other day that he could be one of NZ's greatest ever players. Based on what?
Based I think on his NPC season last year and what he has done as a kid so far in Super this year. I not suggesting I think he will be one of our greatest ever players, but he certainly got the potential to be a top really top player. I was like Canes4Life at Levin and thought he looked the type then too! I can't remember off the top od my head,another loosie that has looked so good at such a young age . Mind you I live for watching real good young ones coming through, probably one of my reasons for watching so much rugby, and I a bit of a tragic, so perhaps I look for the good in young players to hard lol!
Yesterday I got to go and watch 3 1st XV teams play a game of 3 halves, then returned home just in time for Highlnders.Drua etc! -
@Canes4life said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Derpus said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life Moana Pacifika are shite. Basically a home for retirees or blokes waiting to be pinched by the ABs or northern hemisphere.
Why would the ABs want to pick up players you consider are shite?
Just finished watching the full replay and there was some lovely stuff from the Hurricanes. Even the best of teams wouldn’t have been able to stop some of those onslaughts.
I just want to make a shoutout to Billy Proctor, he’s been rock solid all year for us at centre and he once again showed that he’s highly capable on both sides of the ball. He’s always been a solid defender but his distribution game has improved immensely over the last year. Arguably the top performing centre in NZ rugby to start the year. Probably deserves a rest next week though.
I thought Proctor was very close to MOTM for me too mate. By geez he going so bloody well isn't he?
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@Dan54 said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Derpus said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life Moana Pacifika are shite. Basically a home for retirees or blokes waiting to be pinched by the ABs or northern hemisphere.
Why would the ABs want to pick up players you consider are shite?
Just finished watching the full replay and there was some lovely stuff from the Hurricanes. Even the best of teams wouldn’t have been able to stop some of those onslaughts.
I just want to make a shoutout to Billy Proctor, he’s been rock solid all year for us at centre and he once again showed that he’s highly capable on both sides of the ball. He’s always been a solid defender but his distribution game has improved immensely over the last year. Arguably the top performing centre in NZ rugby to start the year. Probably deserves a rest next week though.
I thought Proctor was very close to MOTM for me too mate. By geez he going so bloody well isn't he?
He’s definitely nailing down that centre position. Bailyn might have to find time on the wing if he wants to start.
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The future is looking pretty good with a Roigard, Cameron, and Jodie axis.
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@Canes4life said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Dan54 said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Derpus said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life Moana Pacifika are shite. Basically a home for retirees or blokes waiting to be pinched by the ABs or northern hemisphere.
Why would the ABs want to pick up players you consider are shite?
Just finished watching the full replay and there was some lovely stuff from the Hurricanes. Even the best of teams wouldn’t have been able to stop some of those onslaughts.
I just want to make a shoutout to Billy Proctor, he’s been rock solid all year for us at centre and he once again showed that he’s highly capable on both sides of the ball. He’s always been a solid defender but his distribution game has improved immensely over the last year. Arguably the top performing centre in NZ rugby to start the year. Probably deserves a rest next week though.
I thought Proctor was very close to MOTM for me too mate. By geez he going so bloody well isn't he?
He’s definitely nailing down that centre position. Bailyn might have to find time on the wing if he wants to start.
I am a fan but I thought Sullivan let himself down on defence in this game. He needs to be better or he will find his opportunities a limited.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
The future is looking pretty good with a Roigard, Cameron, and Jodie axis.
Add in Ruben Love at fullback when he comes back in and that’s a handy playmaking axis.
The Hurricanes really are growing some good depth in most areas, just hope we can keep everyone together for the next 4-5 years.
When you think of who wasn’t available last night, we could almost name a 2nd XV that’s nearly as strong as the one that took the field against MP. The key to winning Super Rugby is your squad depth and the XV of players below shows the Canes are building that depth required to compete to a high standard consistently.
An XV of Canes players that didn’t feature last night just goes to show the quality of depth developing.
- Rakete-Stones
- Coles (rested)
- Lomax (rested)
- Blackwell
- Sangster (currently injured)
- Delany (currently injured)
- Kirifi
- Laubscher (currently injured)
- Perenara (currently injured)
- Morgan (concussion issues)
- Naiduki
- Barrett (rested) / Higgins
- Umaga-Jensen (currently injured)
- Sinkinson
- Love (currently injured)
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@Canes4life They are pretty close to being the form team of the comp and possibly have the most depth of any of the franchises. A lot of this success probably has been springboarded by the success of the Wellington Lions at NPC level.
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@Derpus said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life Moana Pacifika are shite. Basically a home for retirees or blokes waiting to be pinched by the ABs or northern hemisphere.
Or pinched by the Wallabies.
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Possibly has to do with pulling all the islands together under one roof. Concept similar to the Lions. Sometimes it works, other years not so much. Coaches make a huge difference. Lealifano is the glue for the team though.
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@SBW1 said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life They are pretty close to being the form team of the comp and possibly have the most depth of any of the franchises. A lot of this success probably has been springboarded by the success of the Wellington Lions at NPC level.
Might be a Chiefs vs Hurricanes final this year, Canes are riding a wave behind a NPC winning Lions contingent. Chiefs have a squad that's peaking also.
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@kiwi_expat said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@SBW1 said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life They are pretty close to being the form team of the comp and possibly have the most depth of any of the franchises. A lot of this success probably has been springboarded by the success of the Wellington Lions at NPC level.
Might be a Chiefs vs Hurricanes final this year, Canes are riding a wave behind a NPC winning Lions contingent. Chiefs have a squad that's peaking also.
But Crusaders have all but one forward in ABs, or NZ XV or Pacific test teams, and a lot of back depth too. It is all about the best team you can field for knockouts - and Crusaders will have the edge regardless
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@Jailbreak7 said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
Possibly has to do with pulling all the islands together under one roof. Concept similar to the Lions. Sometimes it works, other years not so much. Coaches make a huge difference. Lealifano is the glue for the team though.
I really don't think that has anything to do with it. Every NZ team essentially pulls all the islands and two big ones from NZ together under one roof.
They just have a poor selector-coach. Mauger's not up to it. TBH, there's a PI coach out of a job currently who will be a better bet than Mauger - MP should snap up Rennie. He's used to working with castaways usually to success (Chiefs won Super, the Poo were competitive despite their poor resources and shitty home town, granted, the clusterfuck that was Oz rugby was a bridge too far, but I feel Eddie will benefit from the building he did there).
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@ARHS said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@kiwi_expat said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@SBW1 said in Moana Pasifika v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life They are pretty close to being the form team of the comp and possibly have the most depth of any of the franchises. A lot of this success probably has been springboarded by the success of the Wellington Lions at NPC level.
Might be a Chiefs vs Hurricanes final this year, Canes are riding a wave behind a NPC winning Lions contingent. Chiefs have a squad that's peaking also.
But Crusaders have all but one forward in ABs, or NZ XV or Pacific test teams, and a lot of back depth too. It is all about the best team you can field for knockouts - and Crusaders will have the edge regardless
and FABC-Scott Robertson.
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@kiwi_expat Hard to judge the Canes based on the opposition they've beaten so far. The one decent side they've played, they lost so the jury is still out on them imo.
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That Chiefs game in a few weeks will be a good marker at where the Canes are at. Win that and that will be well positioned to attack the second half of the season.
