RWC veterans to be dumped.
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Going back to @BartMan 's original post...
... do we add Andy Haden to the '86 guys who missed '87?
Can't recall his last test ... was it '85 or '86?
Given Zinny Brooke and Bernie McCahill debuted, who did they come in for?
Mike Brewer missed out didn't he? Was he injured?
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@Stargazer said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
@Duluth Blackadder's main position is not 7. He only played there for the Crusaders because Christie was injured and because they had Matera at 6 (when Grace returned from injury). He's mainly a 6, who can easily slot in at 7 and also plays at 8.
The thing is that if everyone was fit last year Razor would’ve had rocks in his head if he didn’t play the below in the big games:
6-Matera
7-Blackadder
8-GraceChristie is a standout NPC player that is a good SR player. To me he’s not starter material when we have those other players.
But between Gardiner, Grace, Blackadder and Christie, we always have someone if not two, in the hospital ward.
Back on topic: Laulala, Ofa, Moody and Coles in trouble I reckon.
Cane will be there but he may not be a starter come RWC.
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@booboo said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
Going back to @BartMan 's original post...
... do we add Andy Haden to the '86 guys who missed '87?
Can't recall his last test ... was it '85 or '86?
Given Zinny Brooke and Bernie McCahill debuted, who did they come in for?
Mike Brewer missed out didn't he? Was he injured?
Zinny potentially in for the retired Jock Hobbs? Not strictly like for like though. You could say Michael Jones was more of the Hobbs replacement. Yes, Brewer missed out due to injury, much like 1991. Zinny probably in for him.
Arthur Stone played the last two tests in 1986 so arguably McCahill in for him?
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
S Frizell (if Blackadder is the starting 6 Frizell may be at risk).
I'd say with the form of Barrett, Retallick, Blackadder and Sotutu - Firzzel is a tough push in a limited squad.
But....Foster.
Personally, I'm not convinced Cane couldn't do the same job as Frizzel.
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@BartMan said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
OK, we have a thread on bolters. How about the other end of the spectrum?
1987 saw Mark Shaw and Gary Knight axed (off the top of my head), . 2011, Sivivatu and Rokocoko. 2019, Owen Franks. And I'm sure there were many more, I just can't be arsed looking them up.
Soooooo, who do ya reckon?
CANDIDATES...? I'll get this started.
Sam Cane? Still has zero ball running chops, tackles like a 6 all day, but that's it.
Dane Coles? If he's not injured, he's just recovered from injury or is about to be injured. Spends more time on physio table then on the field.Who else?
Sadly Colesy is cooked. Aumua on form over him any day. I’d still have him as next man up though due to experience.
The way Beaudy is playing, he’s a ? for me. What probably saves him is his ability to cover both 10/15 and his experience.
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@sparky said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
Richie Mo'unga. Great in Super Rugby, but not a Test Match Animal.
Sevu Reece. Too small for RWC.Lol. So drop Richie for who? I'm no fan but we've got no one to replace him. Beaudy had gone backwards, so gotta be jordie then - at least he has RWC ten experience 🙄
Reece too small? World's best winger last year Cheslin says hi.
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@Bones said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
@KiwiMurph said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
S Frizell (if Blackadder is the starting 6 Frizell may be at risk).
I'd say with the form of Barrett, Retallick, Blackadder and Sotutu - Firzzel is a tough push in a limited squad.
But....Foster.
Personally, I'm not convinced Cane couldn't do the same job as Frizzel.
I think Frizzle would be there for his lineout work as well as his carrying, though Blackadder I think presents a bloody strong case for 6.
I might be in minority here , but Cane is still the kind of 7 I presonally want at test level, and would be picking him.
BB I wonder about always thought he good etc, looks average at moment in super, but I guess we don't need to be picking players on round 1-7 form at super (Richie McCaw might have been dropped id that was case), but anyway genuinely wonder if it's his generaliseship (made up word) that counts for a lot, he seems to be the one the backline looks to for advice/leadership when things are not going well? Just an impression I have. -
Coles is at risk, but I won't be surprised if he makes it - with a caveat that I haven't watched him this year.
Guys who are listed in the current squad on the AB site who don't make my team if everyone is fit:
Aidan Ross, Akira Ioane, Angus Taávao, Braydon Ennor, Folau Fakatava, Jack Goodhue (sadly), Josh Lord, Big Leicester, Nepo Laulala, Patrick Tuipolotu, Pita Gus Sowakula, RTS,
There's a few others in dogfights., ,
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@sparky said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
Sevu Reece. Too small for RWC.
Nah. We’ve never seen him rag dolled or dominated in a tackle. And yet we see him consistently break tackles and defensively he knows how to win the ball.
I think there a massive question marks on what our best back 3 is, which is another issue.
@Canes4life I think Beaudie is safe. But again it’s a question of whether Fozzie goes back to him as the starting 1st 5, plays him at FB or is the bench option.
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jeez, lots of names flying around...kind of make me excited for 2024 onwards, fresh start etc
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@booboo said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
.. do we add Andy Haden to the '86 guys who missed '87?
No Haden last played in 85 but really wasn't a regular pick after the Lions tour in 83. Only played 4 tests over the next two years.
Haden used to tell a story of being advised to get fit for the 87 RWC
because St John's were recruitiing First Aiders.
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
@Nevorian said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
What’s happening with ALB? Is he likely to be fit?
Injured his ankle week 1 vs Crusaders. Due back very soon I think.
Injury prone is putting it mildly. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make it to France due to injury
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They're not going to dump anyone on Super form. The threat is shit performances for the ABs prior to the RWC.
Ironically I don't think established ABs have been dumped for Super form since Razor et al in 2003.
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@Machpants said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
@sparky said in RWC veterans to be dumped.:
Richie Mo'unga. Great in Super Rugby, but not a Test Match Animal.
Sevu Reece. Too small for RWC.Lol. So drop Richie for who? I'm no fan but we've got no one to replace him. Beaudy had gone backwards, so gotta be jordie then - at least he has RWC ten experience 🙄
Reece too small? World's best winger last year Cheslin says hi.
Yes but Cheslin is a freak!
