Nations Championship?
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@Stargazer said in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
@Dan54 I don't think so. I think it's meant to be something like:
year 1: Nations Championship
year 2: Lions Tour
year 3: Nations Championship
year 4: Rugby World CupUnless I've totally misunderstood the proposals.
Makes sense Star! Best of both worlds maybe, though you would think it better to have league champion 2 years before WC, I can understand why it would be this way.
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@mariner4life said in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
i know it would kill NZ Rugby
but
part of me would like to see far less international rugby
I just started reading a book about the ABs v the Boks, and the thought of waiting 5 years to avenge a loss as a certain romantic appeal, and would certainly bring back some passion and interest.
I'm not suggesting waiting 8 years, but certainly every other year would be pretty sweet.Anyway, i know i am probably alone in this, and i am well aware it has zero chance of ever being a thing. Just musing out loud.
Yep Mariner, I understand why it happens like it does now, but any touring team was gold to have when you sometimes only had 4 tests in a year, and less than that at times. We had great support for provincial rugby in those days too. But as I say I understand what has happened, and was always going to with professionalism
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@chimoaus said in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
Any ideas on how they will share revenue? Will it be a 50/50 gate takings and then and equal share of the broadcast rights? Could be a good windfall for Fiji/Japan etc
Read that its still being debated. And is a contentious area
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According to the Telegraph (20 March 2023):
Rugby chiefs have agreed a new world league blueprint that will see a northern versus southern hemisphere ‘grand final’ every two years, as well as the ringfencing of the Six Nations Championship, Telegraph Sport can reveal.
The new league structure, which will only include games that take place in the summer and autumn windows, is set to be introduced from 2026 and will be formed by two groups of six teams from each hemisphere – namely the Six Nations and Rugby Championship sides, wth Japan and Fiji also expected to be included.The new format means that:
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The current format of the Six Nations Championship will be ring-fenced, ending any hope South Africa held of joining the European competition or for the introduction of promotion and relegation.
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Northern hemisphere sides will play three southern opponents away from home in the July window, bringing to an end the traditional summer tours of two or three Tests against one host country.
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The fixtures will be replicated at the home venues of the northern hemisphere nations in the November window, with the top team from each pool facing each other in a grand final, and ranking play-off games for the others.
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The tournament will be held every two years from 2026, with fixtures rotated so that every side plays against each other over a two-tournament cycle
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From 2030, a promotion and relegation could be introduced to provide a pathway from a second-tier competition which is expected to be launched next year for nations including Georgia, Samoa and Tonga.
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All stakeholders are confident it will not diminish the status of the Rugby World Cup, and it will be marketed as a battle of the hemispheres.
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The future of the British and Irish Lions tours will be secured and in Lions years countries able to stage traditional tours as normal, and include more fixtures against tier two countries to enhance their development.
It is understood that negotiations, which began in March 2020, are now entering a final consultation phase with the clubs and players’ representatives to ensure it has complete alignment and buy-in for a newly structured global season.
Senior sources have indicated that the new league is on course to be unveiled by the start of the Rugby World Cup in France this September.
“The fundamentals have been agreed,” said one source close to the negotiations. "All key stakeholders have been involved and the structure of the season, the rugby and player welfare issues were resolved some time ago. It's just tying down some of the outstanding commercial issues, but we are well advanced on those as well. We are just about over the line."Central to the negotiations from the northern hemisphere perspective was excluding the Six Nations from the new world league, which proved to be the major stumbling block of talks about the failed ‘Nations Championship’ concept in 2019.
“It was imperative that we didn’t mess around one of the major crown jewels of the game and risked that for a very hypothetical benefit,” said another senior source.
“South Africa made public their interest in joining the Six Nations, but it was never up for discussion. We have never entertained expansion.One of the details still under discussion include the possibility of staging the grand final at a high-profile neutral venue to enhance the profile of the league and grow a new audience, with Hong Kong one possibility.
It is understood one of the outstanding issues is also the timing of the Rugby Championship in the new global season.
This sounds like they want the SH hemisphere nations to adapt their schedule to that of the NH. Changing the timing of the RC will have serious consequences for Super Rugby, and then also the NPC. It will also have consequences for the Japanese Top League One which runs more or less parallel to Super Rugby.Of course this a Telegraph article, and thus written from a NH perspective. Some things more important to the SH nations may have been left out.
North versus south ‘grand final’ the crown jewel of new world league
Exclusive: Six Nations and Rugby Championship sides will form the backbone a new tournament with a 'grand final' held every two years
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It looks to be NZ/Aust vs SA/Arg for the timing of the RC. That's the problem when so many SA and Arg players play in Europe/Japan.
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i just cant see it happening...comes up every few years and nothing eventuates
completely removing even the carrot of tier 2-3 teams from joining these comps will kill rugby growth in new regions
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@Bovidae What I really hate about is that it's the SH again who needs to adapt to the NH, while they just draw their line in the sand about not changing anything to the Six Nations.
There simply wouldn't be a level playing field, if NZ and Aussie players would have to play test matches straight after their off-season without any match fitness.
I also don't fully agree with the narrative that RSA and Arg were kicked out of SR. RSA had been suggesting they might join the Pro 14 and wanted to join the Six Nations years before Covid happened. Arg was just unlucky.
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It's not even the South
It's South Africa. Those fucking idiots moved their season to the Northern Winter by choice, and now want us to as well
Tell them to get fucked. The silly fluffybunnies have made their bed.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Is that what that ‘World league rugby thread is’?
I’ve been avoiding it as I thought it was another thread about a competition no-one gives a shit about half a world away where we’d get spammed about any NPC reject getting a gig.
If it happens, it will be right here as well, not half a world away.
I just hope it won't happen.Not sure what you mean with "any NPC reject getting a gig". It's test rugby. Are you confusing this with that World Club Championship?
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@Stargazer said in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
@Bovidae What I really hate about is that it's the SH again who needs to adapt to the NH, while they just draw their line in the sand about not changing anything to the Six Nations.
The NZRPA wouldn't agree to starting the season with tests. SA and Arg can't complain about player welfare and then expect NZ and Aust to agree to this (same problem, different reason).
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Did I miss something, isn't this just saying we play 3 different NH teams in July and the other 3 in November? It would be tough on a NH team having to do Argentina, Africa and Australia in three weeks. I suppose Perth might get a few tests or have ingot this wrong?
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@chimoaus There will also be a final/play-offs in November. And they are pushing the SANZAAR nations to completely change their competition schedules (TRC, and as a consequence, Super Rugby, NPC, Top League One, probably also all the Australian comps like Shute Shield) to suit the South African and Argie players who ply their trade in Europe.
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@Stargazer quoted in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
The current format of the Six Nations Championship will be ring-fenced, ending any hope South Africa held of joining the European competition or for the introduction of promotion and relegation.
Northern hemisphere sides will play three southern opponents away from home in the July window, bringing to an end the traditional summer tours of two or three Tests against one host country.
So their competition gets ring fenced and we lose inbound tours for a biennial tier one RWC. What enormous fuckwad agreed to this?
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as i said above, i dont think it will happens
but, i'm not worried about moving around our season, if im honest ive always found it a bit disjointed, SR...then internationals...then some do NPC and others do more internationals. i mainly dont like even more focus on internationals and excluding developing nations from even the small chance of earning the right to step up by ring fencing...this whole thing seems to be making the game smaller...not bigger
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World league moves closer as rugby holds summit on new tournament
Exclusive: Stakeholders could extend autumn Test window next week as part of move towards new international league
World Rugby hopes to secure agreement to extend the window for Test matches to be played each autumn during key meetings in London next week which could provide the “breakthrough moment” for a new world league competition.
Telegraph Sport revealed in March that a blueprint for a new tournament starting in 2026 - including a northern versus southern hemisphere ‘grand final’ every two years, as well as the ring fencing of the Six Nations Championship - had been agreed
A final consultation phase, including surveys with the players and leagues has since been conducted, and all major stakeholders from the northern and southern hemispheres, will assemble at the Royal Garden hotel in Kensington for a four-day summit next week to discuss the conclusions.
Two days have also been set aside for negotiations to secure agreement to changes to World Rugby’s Regulation 9, which guarantees the release of players for international matches, from three to four weekends in November.
This is required to accommodate the ‘grand final’ and possibly also a promotion and relegation match from 2030 to provide a pathway from a second-tier competition which is expected to be launched next year for nations including Georgia, Samoa and Tonga.
‘Willing parties from all corners’
Portas Consulting, a global management consultancy business based in London, has been leading the review over Reg 9 and there is growing expectation that a deal can be struck.
“The stage is set here for closing this thing out,” said one source close to the talks. “You have got willing parties from all corners – the Six Nations group, the Premiership and it sounds like Sanzaar (the main southern hemisphere unions) are getting their act together as well.”
Sources close to the negotiations say agreement on a fourth weekend for Test rugby will be critical to securing the new global season framework, which could also see the southern hemisphere’s Rugby Championship switch from the traditional summer slot to coincide with the Six Nations in February and March.
It is understood that World Rugby want to hold a summit similar to the one staged in San Francisco in January 2017, that led to the last global season agreement, during the Rugby World Cup in France in September and October with the expectation of unveiling the new ‘Nations Cup’ during the tournament.
“The format is agreed, the last detail to get over the line is the revenue share and the complexities over the fourth weekend in the autumn,” said another source.
“The French Top 14 league is taking the hardest line on this, but if we can get agreement on Reg 9, it will be the breakthrough moment.”
To secure buy-in from the clubs, particularly in France (the England clubs already have an agreement with the Rugby Football Union to play four Tests each autumn), it is likely that changes to Reg 9 will also include financial compensation to recognise their financial risk and investment in developing the players.
“I will be going into that room saying ‘let’s crack on with this’” said one source. “Let’s constructively sort out how the player release mechanism will work.”
Players’ concern over Six Nations fatigue
One sticking point, however, could be if the clubs push for the Six Nations to be reduced from seven to six weeks to accommodate the extra weekend for Test rugby in November although it is not thought to be currently on the table for discussion.
It is understood some players have expressed concern about the physical demands of playing the championship with just one weekend off, while there is also opposition within some unions.
Warren Gatland, the Wales head coach, told Telegraph Sport that it would be difficult for the Celtic Nations and Italy to cope, given their smaller playing bases and could affect the quality of rugby on show for supporters.
“It might be okay for France and England, but I am not sure if the rest of us will be able to cope with the attritional demands of reducing the Six Nations from seven to six weeks,” Gatland said.
“And if they shave a week off now, the next target will be to reduce it to five weeks. Player welfare has to come into it. It was tough enough for us this season to finish with two games in a row. Fans also want to see teams playing at full strength, not impacted by injuries.”
Other sources have suggested that the Six Nations may not have to be reduced if the final weekend in November only involves the final and promotion and relegation match, rather than all countries involved in play-off matches to determine final standings.
The proposed new league structure, which will only include games that take place in the summer and autumn windows, is to be formed by two groups of six teams from each hemisphere – namely the Six Nations and Rugby Championship sides, with Japan and Fiji also expected to be included.
Northern hemisphere sides will play three southern opponents away from home in the July window, bringing to an end the traditional summer tours of two or three Tests against one host country.
The fixtures will be replicated at the home venues of the northern hemisphere nations in the November window, with the tournament to be held every two years from 2026, with fixtures rotated so that every side plays against each other over a two-tournament cycle.
The stakeholders are confident there will be a significant uplift in the broadcasting and commercial values for both hemispheres.
World league moves closer as rugby holds summit on new tournament
Exclusive: Stakeholders could extend autumn Test window next week as part of move towards new international league
I wonder whether there really is as much agreement as the Telegraph thinks there is. Some things, like that the Rugby Championship might move so it can be played at the same time as the Six Nations, have already been denied by SANZAAR. I guess we'll have to wait and see what comes out of that meeting ...
