It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.
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@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@antipodean said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
What constitutes success for the new regime? Keep Bledisloe. Win all home series, ranking?
Direction mostly for me, but a lot of people will want to judge him purely on results and want KPI's set as they did with Foster. After his first season in charge, I think anything less than keeping the Bled, the RC & not losing at EP would cause concern for a lot of people.
Losing more than 1 game on the EOYT, being below 2 or 3 in the global rankings and losing twice to Argentina would show a distinct lack of progress for an awful lot of people and the media knives will probably be unsheathed if that happens
This sounds reasonable but a little demanding to me.
For example, I think top 3 at least (top 2 is a nice but hard to have, we currently don't look like a 2 or 3 IMO), S Africa are competitive, and otherwise I'd mostly agree but do you know what the 2024 EOYT will be?
Given the strength of Ireland France and England (and Scotland?) I'd say only losing once on an EOYT is a bit hard but apparently England tour NZ in 2024 (https://www.planetrugby.com/news/internationals-england-set-to-tour-new-zealand-in-july-2024-report) so I am not sure what the 2024 EOYT will be...Losing to Italy or Japan would probably be a black mark (and maybe Scotland?)
We are currently 3rd in the rankings under Foster. You think an improvement on that is too demanding for Robertson after a season or two? I don't and I don't think the NZ rugby public will either.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@nostrildamus said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@antipodean said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
What constitutes success for the new regime? Keep Bledisloe. Win all home series, ranking?
Direction mostly for me, but a lot of people will want to judge him purely on results and want KPI's set as they did with Foster. After his first season in charge, I think anything less than keeping the Bled, the RC & not losing at EP would cause concern for a lot of people.
Losing more than 1 game on the EOYT, being below 2 or 3 in the global rankings and losing twice to Argentina would show a distinct lack of progress for an awful lot of people and the media knives will probably be unsheathed if that happens
This sounds reasonable but a little demanding to me.
For example, I think top 3 at least (top 2 is a nice but hard to have, we currently don't look like a 2 or 3 IMO), S Africa are competitive, and otherwise I'd mostly agree but do you know what the 2024 EOYT will be?
Given the strength of Ireland France and England (and Scotland?) I'd say only losing once on an EOYT is a bit hard but apparently England tour NZ in 2024 (https://www.planetrugby.com/news/internationals-england-set-to-tour-new-zealand-in-july-2024-report) so I am not sure what the 2024 EOYT will be...Losing to Italy or Japan would probably be a black mark (and maybe Scotland?)
We are currently 3rd in the rankings under Foster. You think an improvement on that is too demanding for Robertson after a season or two? I don't and I don't think the NZ rugby public will either.
Currently RWC in Europe year so I don't think Ireland and France (in France) will be easy beats, put it that way. And England and SA are dangerous. And possibly the Argies.
So moving from 3 to 2 is I think demanding, not impossible but demanding. Slipping, on the other hand, even 1 place and yes the pressure will be there. -
Personally I'd be happy if he announced O'Gara in his coaching setup. But I think O'Gara has eyes on coaching Ireland (although if Farrell keeps on winning, good luck with that).
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@Bones said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Yeah Leon I find a bit underwhelming with the talent he has available - but maybe if he's focussing on one area as an assistant, he might be pretty good. Hard to say though...
you bastards are harsh. Comes into a dysfunctional organisation that's starting to change, turns things around, wins 15 on the bounce, takes the Blues from cellar dwellers to 'underwhelmed because not No1', and a full Eden Park for multiple weekends. Wins all over the place.
weaknesses are not getting a high quality tight 5 with backups, and playing some people (BB) who turned things around for him too long. The Blues are clearly a far better side than they were when he took over, despite a poor start (patchwork tight 5 exposed with injuries).
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@nzzp I think the only real criticism of him is that he is pretty conservative with promoting or trusting younger players. This shows up with not going to the bench, or playing players out of position rather than trusting younger options.
At lock, he squandered the ample talents of Jacob Pierce. He was physically dominant in his few appearances.
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@nzzp not really eh, but it's what you'd expect a good coach to do with the kind of resources available to him. Good is just a bit underwhelming when it comes to the ABs.
Playing at the top of the tree with Ta$man and the Blue$ 😁 he should be all conquering if he's great.
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@Billy-Tell said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Personally I'd be happy if he announced O'Gara in his coaching setup. But I think O'Gara has eyes on coaching Ireland (although if Farrell keeps on winning, good luck with that).
@Billy-Tell said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Personally I'd be happy if he announced O'Gara in his coaching setup. But I think O'Gara has eyes on coaching Ireland (although if Farrell keeps on winning, good luck with that).
I would also be happy if he picked O'Gara. But it ain't gonna happen.
How about JJ would he not think about working with Razor? That Would be a helluva gig/set-up. -
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@Victor-Meldrew said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Yeah, there has been "go forward" since the assistants changed without a doubt.
It was as patchy as fuck though. The forwards performance in the 2nd half of the England EOYT game was probably worse than it was against Ireland and France the year before Ryan came in. If the new coaching set-up can get the consistency sorted out and improve composure under pressure that would be a solid start.
Consistency is the key word , I think our potential best competes with the best ,
But it’s the uncertainty of what type of performance we get at any given moment has been the Achilles heel of this era, and while there has been improvement, the eoyt showed us it’s still there .
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Assuming Razor fancies him…..
O’Gara might have extended his contract but I’d be amazed if he didn’t have options/clauses to leave for international jobs. He was in a strong position at the time. For him, maybe Ireland is the ultimate gig and he’ll have his time at some point I’m sure.
However, unlike the Ireland job which will be there waiting for him (beyond Farrell’s time there’s Leo Cullen perhaps), being an assistant at the ABs is a once in a lifetime chance.
The ABs can send Brad Mooar over to La Rochelle as compensation. 😜
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With Razor as coach I suppose we’re in for a few close shaves.
@Billy-Tell I think he might be a cut above the rest -
Stolen from the memes thread
@mikedogz said in Sports Memes:
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Razor officially named to replace Fozzie as All Blacks Coach after the World Cup! Things could be very awkward around NZ Rugby HQ for the next few months…
More like foster checking his phone this morning Paris time, apparently they didn't inform him before the announcement.
CEO Mark Robinson simply brushed it off by saying he’s in a “different time zone” and the NZR has tried to “reach out and have that chat if we can”.
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@antipodean said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
What constitutes success for the new regime? Keep Bledisloe. Win all home series, ranking?
Number 1 in the world. Then thumping all the available opposition again and again and again until they're sick of us.
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@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
The German soccer team do this sort of thing regularly.
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@Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
CEO Mark Robinson simply brushed it off by saying he’s in a “different time zone” and the NZR has tried to “reach out and have that chat if we can”.
Typically incompetent. A final kick in the teeth for Fozz. He's in France, not Mars. I assume he has a mobile phone, they could have called him out of courtesy
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@mariner4life said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Wracking my brain trying to think of another professional sports coach who has the job for a full season knowing he's not wanted?
Very strange fucking time
I actually don't know how I feel about it to be honest.
I want to believe everyone is a stone cold professional and just gets on with the job. But that's fantasy.
If Foster isn't their guy he shouldn't be there now.It's all ridiculous really.
That's my point. I'm not grizzling on behalf of Foster, I'm stating the obvious. All those posts claiming that players will want to perform are correct. Step away from the extremes/simplistic views for a moment and you'll note that there is a little seed put in their heads that the guy telling them that they can win if they do what he says doesn't really have the full support of the bosses who are more than happy to sit and grin alongside their new hire.
That little seed could mean that the team aren't fully on song.
Surely there were better ways to do this. The interview/selection process appears to have been a done deal (and don't we just hate those?) so why not keep it under wraps?
More Mark Robinson mess IMO.
I do agree that a change of coach is needed but also think that if you aren't going to change the incumbent then full support means full support not praising how you think someone else will do a better job. -
@Billy-Tell said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
With Razor as coach I suppose we’re in for a few close shaves.
I thought bad jokes were being removed under threat of bans?
