Blackcaps v Sri Lanka
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@Rapido said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Donsteppa said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
0/67 off 10 on day one at a home test match. Dire.
Surely the bigger issue is the captain is to scared to actually bowl one of his (other) senior seamers. After winning the toss and bowling ....
All of the above. The Loves Wags till death do us part crew were militant after the Basin about the Bay Oval criticism of his economy rate etc, so I avoided that one for now
Papamoa's finest is finally back into the attack now, and hopefully holds off the march of time for at least the rest of this series. Dragging the run rate back to 0/35 off 5 now.
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@nzzp said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
the way they are batting, SL are looking good for a win. If they do that, a second game with entry to the WTC on the line would be superb to watch.
If we lose 2-0, is that SL confrimed? Or could India sneak in even then?
India get in if they win the 4th Aus-India test.
If India beat Australia in the fourth Test they will officially secure their final's spot, but a draw or a loss combined with two Sri Lanka wins over New Zealand will see Sri Lanka leap India and make the WTC final. -
@ACT-Crusader said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@nzzp said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido pace is down, he's lost effectiveness unfortunately.
Loves Wags, but he's close to finishing
Mark Richardson just summed up Wagner well about how he plays when he’s fired up, he gets better. That’s all good and well when we are on a 5th day and trying to get up for an improbable. Problem is that test cricket is a grind also and we need line and length. That doesn’t need a ‘fired up’ bowler, just someone using the conditions and consistency.
I thought Wisden also highlighted his English series performance quite well. Was a proverbial Outhouse to the Penthouse scenario.
In the first Test, Neil Wagner finished with the second-worst economy rate in an innings in the history of Test cricket (min. 10 overs).
In the second, he bowled New Zealand to one of the greatest Test victories of all time.
Guts.!
Source: Wisden
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Meanwhile a bloke called Glenn Phillips showed concentration, skill, and control (not words I associate with Henry Nicholls) to score 147 off 244 balls to deny the Cantabs (along with a bit of rain) in the Plunket Shield. Henry Shipley and Ish Sodhi bowled well for Canterbury.
One kid to watch is 19 year-old Muhammad Abbas. His dad played 1st class stuff in Pakistan before coming to NZ with a 1 year-old son where the dad played a bit for Auckland and Wellington. Anyway, the boy dominated the NZ U19 champs last month and scored a Plunket Shield 100 for Wellington the other day.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@nzzp said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido pace is down, he's lost effectiveness unfortunately.
Loves Wags, but he's close to finishing
Mark Richardson just summed up Wagner well about how he plays when he’s fired up, he gets better. That’s all good and well when we are on a 5th day and trying to get up for an improbable. Problem is that test cricket is a grind also and we need line and length. That doesn’t need a ‘fired up’ bowler, just someone using the conditions and consistency.
His job is to make the batsmen uncomfortable on a dead track with an old ball. He used to be able to make things happen by sheer act of will and by dipping into a perpetual font of rage
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@canefan said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@ACT-Crusader said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@nzzp said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido pace is down, he's lost effectiveness unfortunately.
Loves Wags, but he's close to finishing
Mark Richardson just summed up Wagner well about how he plays when he’s fired up, he gets better. That’s all good and well when we are on a 5th day and trying to get up for an improbable. Problem is that test cricket is a grind also and we need line and length. That doesn’t need a ‘fired up’ bowler, just someone using the conditions and consistency.
His job is to make the batsmen uncomfortable on a dead track with an old ball. He used to be able to make things happen by sheer act of will and by dipping into a perpetual font of rage
I wish he'd retired on top as a hero after the Basin.
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@four-more-years said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Meanwhile a bloke called Glenn Phillips showed concentration, skill, and control (not words I associate with Henry Nicholls) to score 147 off 244 balls to deny the Cantabs (along with a bit of rain) in the Plunket Shield. Henry Shipley and Ish Sodhi bowled well for Canterbury.
One kid to watch is 19 year-old Muhammad Abbas. His dad played 1st class stuff in Pakistan before coming to NZ with a 1 year-old son where the dad played a bit for Auckland and Wellingto ma'am no
n. Anyway, the boy dominated the NZ U19 champs last month and scored a Plunket Shield 100 for Wellington the other day.I don't think Phillips is four though and Mitchell is also not a four. So that brings us back to Nicholls vs Young and Young hasn't taken his chances to put more pressure on Nicholls's position.
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@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@four-more-years said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Meanwhile a bloke called Glenn Phillips showed concentration, skill, and control (not words I associate with Henry Nicholls) to score 147 off 244 balls to deny the Cantabs (along with a bit of rain) in the Plunket Shield. Henry Shipley and Ish Sodhi bowled well for Canterbury.
One kid to watch is 19 year-old Muhammad Abbas. His dad played 1st class stuff in Pakistan before coming to NZ with a 1 year-old son where the dad played a bit for Auckland and Wellingto ma'am no
n. Anyway, the boy dominated the NZ U19 champs last month and scored a Plunket Shield 100 for Wellington the other day.I don't think Phillips is four though and Mitchell is also not a four. So that brings us back to Nicholls vs Young and Young hasn't taken his chances to put more pressure on Nicholls's position.
The bar feels like it's set pretty low
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Phillips has been batting 4 for Otago and usually batted 3 or 4 for Auckland.
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@four-more-years said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Phillips has been batting 4 for Otago and usually batted 3 or 4 for Auckland.
Santner bats at 5 for ND, if he ever gets to play test cricket again (unlikely) he'll be batting at 7 or 8, so that gives you some idea about the difficulty of batting in domestic cricket.
To me Phillips looks like he would be a great test 5 or 6, maybe even an awesome one.
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@LABCAT said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@four-more-years said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Meanwhile a bloke called Glenn Phillips showed concentration, skill, and control (not words I associate with Henry Nicholls) to score 147 off 244 balls to deny the Cantabs (along with a bit of rain) in the Plunket Shield. Henry Shipley and Ish Sodhi bowled well for Canterbury.
One kid to watch is 19 year-old Muhammad Abbas. His dad played 1st class stuff in Pakistan before coming to NZ with a 1 year-old son where the dad played a bit for Auckland and Wellingto ma'am no
n. Anyway, the boy dominated the NZ U19 champs last month and scored a Plunket Shield 100 for Wellington the other day.I don't think Phillips is four though and Mitchell is also not a four. So that brings us back to Nicholls vs Young and Young hasn't taken his chances to put more pressure on Nicholls's position.
Based on what ?
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@Donsteppa said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Interesting to see Andre Adams right up this First Class wickets list. Chat's average is a good reminder that Hadlee didn't take lots of wickets just 'because no-one at the other end' at the top level.
Paddles also averaged 31 with the bat at first class level. Coupled with that freakish bowling average it’s easy to see how absolutely dominated County Cricket but unlike a lot of guys there ( Hick, Ramprakash, Gatting, Lamb etc ) he did the business at the highest level too.
That’s a real surprise that Adams is that high, he was a really exciting player, I wish he’d played way more than he did. Can anyone remember why he didn’t ?
Back on topic interesting to see the much maligned Bracewell actually get a wicket. In your face Mitch Santner !
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@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
That’s a real surprise that Adams is that high, he was a really exciting player, I wish he’d played way more than he did. Can anyone remember why he didn’t ?
I'm with you. An absolute talent - maybe personality clashes? Someone will have teh inside oil I'm sure
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Bloody hell Southee's bowling well. Balls' on a string at the moment (which sounds kinda weird out of context).
Into the tail now thankfully
Edit: This Jayasuriya has an average of 3.75 with 15 runs to his name off 4 innings. Not massively better at FC either... chance to roll them quickly
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A stats(s).
Since Ross Taylor's retirement. Henry Nicholls has averaged 23.78, in the 8 test matches. So, since he has moved up to number 4 to replace Ross.
He scored a century in that first test after Ross.
Since that test, he has averaged 17.53 in the next 7 tests as the senior batsman stepping up a role to fill that more senior number 4 position.
A lot of those matches have been without Kane, so makes his role harder, but also makes his seniority more important, and his lack of output more damaging.This hasn't been noticed too much IMO, because Darryl Mitchell has replaced the runs of peak Ross, if not the exact batting position.
The other factor obscuring this is that Ross Taylor also had a declining output at number in his final year to averaging 26. HIs final 2 years averaging 29. -
@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
That’s a real surprise that Adams is that high, he was a really exciting player, I wish he’d played way more than he did. Can anyone remember why he didn’t ?
Bracewell favoured Oram and Franklin in the allrounder role. Not terrible decisions.
Adams was selected and pidgeon-holed as an ODI player, when he was actually a much better red-ball player.
Defintely worth a go in tests as specialist bowler, rather than allrounder, in the late 00s, in hindsight.
He moved to play in England as he had a passport that meant he could play county cricket as a local.Was bowling coach of NSW or one of the Sydney bash teams, last I heard (after about 1 season as Auckland bowling coach). A real loss (to NZ) on the coaching front I hear.
Edit. He did an interview on The Top Order podcast a year or 2 ago, that I listened to. Was good. Would answer your question more fully.
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@Rapido said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
That’s a real surprise that Adams is that high, he was a really exciting player, I wish he’d played way more than he did. Can anyone remember why he didn’t ?
Bracewell favoured Oram and Franklin in the allrounder role. Not terrible decisions.
Adams was selected and pidgeon-holed as an ODI player, when he was actually a much better red-ball player.
Defintely worth a go in tests as specialist bowler, rather than allrounder, in the late 00s, in hindsight.
He moved to play in England as he had a passport that meant he could play county cricket as a local.Was bowling coach of NSW or one of the Sydney bash teams, last I heard (after about 1 season as Auckland bowling coach). A real loss (to NZ) on the coaching front I hear.
Yeah he kinda gave away the bowling to focus on his batting which I reckon wasn’t a good decision ( apparently Paddles said he was like a left handed version of himself early on ).
Went from being a very good bowler who could bat a bit to being a typical bits and pieces BC all rounder.
Interesting about Adams, took a few wickets in his only test.
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@Rapido said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
That’s a real surprise that Adams is that high, he was a really exciting player, I wish he’d played way more than he did. Can anyone remember why he didn’t ?
Bracewell favoured Oram and Franklin in the allrounder role. Not terrible decisions.
Adams was selected and pidgeon-holed as an ODI player, when he was actually a much better red-ball player.
Defintely worth a go in tests as specialist bowler, rather than allrounder, in the late 00s, in hindsight.
He moved to play in England as he had a passport that meant he could play county cricket as a local.Was bowling coach of NSW or one of the Sydney bash teams, last I heard (after about 1 season as Auckland bowling coach). A real loss (to NZ) on the coaching front I hear.
Assistant bowling coach at the Sydney Sixers and NSW bowling coach.
I know Mitch Starc rated him highly he helped out when he was struggling last season.
Starc spends sometime at the HPC here in Brisbane.
When his wife is up visiting the Uncles.
