Blackcaps v Sri Lanka
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Actually, prior to that abritrary date I chose (The CdG debut). During the earlier half of that same decade NZ also used to almost always chose to bowl first at home. 18 out of 21 occasions (So, McCullum, Taylor captaincy period).
Prior to that it was more 50%ish, except for another (not as extravagent) blip in the 1980s (17 out of 28) , when we had Hadlee.
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Interesting I would have thought would need a robust bowling attack to back up such a decision, except during periods where wild green seamers meant we could get away with lesser talent. I would argue the current pitches matched with the bowling attack (no boult, jamieson etc) don't warrant the we did this before, so need to always do it decision
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@bayimports said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Interesting I would have thought would need a robust bowling attack to back up such a decision, except during periods where wild green seamers meant we could get away with lesser talent. I would argue the current pitches matched with the bowling attack (no boult, jamieson etc) don't warrant the we did this before, so need to always do it decision
True. The team is a bit shit, the bowling talent has regressed, and the team very poorly coached/managed. That is a new reality that should be taken into account when making a decision upon winning the toss. As well as the pitch.
But, in Southee's defence upon making a decision on the morning of each match. Look at the 11 he's been given. 4 seamers, and a part-time(ish) spinner.
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@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Look at the 11 he's been given.
Southee selects that team and squad as well,AS captain he has a big say in it.
Whatever he has been given he help's select it.Him and Stead's fault
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@canefan said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Chris said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Look at the 11 he's been given.
Southee selects that team and squad as well,AS captain he has a big say in it.
Whatever he has been given he help's select it.Him and Stead's fault
and Larsen.
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@Rapido I post based on gut feel and vibes not fancy statistics and facts.
I think NZ has traditionally been too scared to bat first despite the overall advantage it gives. It does take balls to put yourself in on the first morning of a test, but if you get through that first session you're ahead of the game. Aus became the masters of this.
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@No-Quarter said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido I post based on gut feel and vibes not fancy statistics and facts.
I think NZ has traditionally been too scared to bat first despite the overall advantage it gives. It does take balls to put yourself in on the first morning of a test, but if you get through that first session you're ahead of the game. Aus became the masters of this.
I'm a child of the 1980s. So I was brought up on win the toss and bowl. I can only remember one victory from the 1980s golden era where we won bowling 4th (Eden park v Australia in 1986, although I'm sure there's probably a few more).
Edit: v England 1984 Lancaster Park was won bowling 2nd and 3rd after enforcing a follow on.For me the "win the toss and bat" is a concept from a different planet (e.g. Australia).
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I don't see why we picked 4 seamers in this test.
Wagner has bowled 3 overs going at 10 an over
Tickner has been too lose.
And we are Using Mitchell who is doing a good job.
More sense would have been play another bat and not play Tickner especially as Mitchell is being used now.
Again an unbalanced 11.
Even though Wagner was the hero from the 2nd English test he looks more and more done at 36 as a test bowler. -
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@Donsteppa said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
0/67 off 10 on day one at a home test match. Dire.
Surely the bigger issue is the captain is to scared to actually bowl one of his (other) senior seamers. After winning the toss and bowling ....
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@Donsteppa said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
0/67 off 10 on day one at a home test match. Dire.
on a green top!
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@nzzp said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Rapido pace is down, he's lost effectiveness unfortunately.
Loves Wags, but he's close to finishing
Mark Richardson just summed up Wagner well about how he plays when he’s fired up, he gets better. That’s all good and well when we are on a 5th day and trying to get up for an improbable. Problem is that test cricket is a grind also and we need line and length. That doesn’t need a ‘fired up’ bowler, just someone using the conditions and consistency.
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