Black Caps v England
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
That unbeaten partnership at the end clearly has England on the ropes. I'll be back there tomorrow with great expectations. The scoreboard had us well ahead of the required run rate too.
Yes. We’re up against it alright, but this England team never gives up. Don’t count your chickens just yet.
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
Tom Not Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, or Bangladesh Test Sides Latham.
So... banking on Henry Nicholls.
Or England as Tom has a test century against them as well.
One swallow doesn't make a summer
One more than you have against England Mate.
The lowest of bars
I would back myself for a well compiled 0 (1).
Well by the looks you don’t need any sort of defensive technique to play Cricket for the Black Caps anymore, So everyone is up for selection I reckon I could knick one threw slips and jag a boundary.
We aren't the black caps anymore. Black craps
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Broad was very impressive. Amazing crowd for first two sessions and very entertaining by England.
Thought both Tickner and Kuggeleijn bowled OK. But Wagner ran up quickest hundred I have ever seen from a test bowler.
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Attitude in the way we play negative and tentative need to be bolder and positive.
The difference between the two teams is a reflection of the personality of the respective coaches. Stead just comes across as conservative and boring.
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Attitude in the way we play negative and tentative need to be bolder and positive.
The difference between the two teams is a reflection of the personality of the respective coaches. Stead just comes across as conservative and boring.
For all the grief the NZRU gets about its coaching appointments, NZC seems to be just as bad with retaining untouchable coaches. Gary Stead and High Performance Bob Carter appear to have guaranteed jobs for life.
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Attitude in the way we play negative and tentative need to be bolder and positive.
The difference between the two teams is a reflection of the personality of the respective coaches. Stead just comes across as conservative and boring.
For all the grief the NZRU gets about its coaching appointments, NZC seems to be just as bad with retaining untouchable coaches. Gary Stead and High Performance Bob Carter appear to have guaranteed jobs for life.
Larsen is a selector as well. One who wouldn't pick Boult FFS.
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Attitude in the way we play negative and tentative need to be bolder and positive.
The difference between the two teams is a reflection of the personality of the respective coaches. Stead just comes across as conservative and boring.
That will have a lot to do with it.
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Attitude in the way we play negative and tentative need to be bolder and positive.
The difference between the two teams is a reflection of the personality of the respective coaches. Stead just comes across as conservative and boring.
It’s amazing the turnaround that has occurred in the England set up. For sure, Baz has generated a seismic shift in attitude in the England set up, but the really significant change was in the willingness to appoint a maverick like McCullum in the first place. We’ve nearly always favoured time-servers as coaches who bring that mantra in to selection and tactics.
Just the other day I was watching a recording of a Steve Waugh interview and his critique on England selection was as illuminating as it was unsurprising (can it be both?). Looking at the attack he said we rarely picked the likes of Devon Malcolm who had express pace and a poor radar, in favour of journeymen who could be guaranteed to put the ball “on the spot”. Trouble was, everyone knew where “the spot” was. His view on Malcolm was, “yeah he was erratic and at his pace, that scared the shit out of us”.
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Thank god this is nearly over. Tough day at the office. We had our chances, but poor bowling let them off the hook.
For the second test, we need better bowlers. Henry definitely, I'd pick Boult as well but that won't happen. KJ needs to be looked after somehow, and stress fractures fixed.
Batting, who knows. Will Young I presume gets a crack - but it's going to be easier with just daylight to deal with. Day/night tests are great in theory, but I don't love them right now; too one sided at night.Well played England. You took your chances and made us look silly.
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@ARHS said in Black Caps v England:
Broad was very impressive. Amazing crowd for first two sessions and very entertaining by England.
Thought both Tickner and Kuggeleijn bowled OK. But Wagner ran up quickest hundred I have ever seen from a test bowler.
Good luck to Daryl and Bracewell tomorrow. I won't bother heading back though.Whoever sets the ticket prices on this one may have slightly missed a trick. I was waiting to hear if it was reduced adult prices at 5 wickets down like the evening-only rate.
It isn't (other than the preplanned 'one kid free per adult ticket'), so we've done the wait-to-see-if-early-wickets-fall thing, and....
Might not have done much for net ticket revenue in the end, but perhaps more punters for the food and beer, and to show up on screen.
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So for the Basin, maybe...
- Conway
- Latham
- Young
- Williamson
- Mitchell
- Blundell
- M. Bracewell/Sodhi
- D. Bracewell
- Henry
- Southee
- Wagner
Could be convinced either way on the spinners. Ish is the better spinner, M. Bracewell in theory stronger with the bat. Not that the Basin is renowned for much spin. Could also go with different orders for that top four.
I can't remember seeing Glen Phillips bowl in recent years, so am assuming the 'four pace bowlers plus a (more) part time spinner' option is out.
As for M. Bracewell, if he had the same bowling figures as Wagner in this test, the thread would be in full meltdown...
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Refuse to read the thread.
And we were worried about our bowling without Boult.
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@Donsteppa Phillips instead of Sodhi/M Bracewell with Phillips/Mitchell enough for a 5th bowler imo.
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa Phillips instead of Sodhi/M Bracewell with Phillips/Mitchell enough for a 5th bowler imo.
I'd be tempted with that. Mitchell isn't going to set the world on fire, but I think he's also underused as a 5th/6th bowling option.
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
no use slamming Stead if he has not got the cattle to pick from, he still as coach has to try and win games.
poor Gary cattle less Stead - he has 3 of the 6 test batsmen averaging 50+, a keeper averaging 45 and an opener averaging 40+ we are at least 3x worse than when Hesson was coach, despite NZ's batting unit being currently of unprecedented caliber...
We have a top order averaging 55, 42, 54, 40, 58, 45, Mike Hesson would've given his right arm for a batting unit of that strength.
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@kiwi_expat said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
no use slamming Stead if he has not got the cattle to pick from, he still as coach has to try and win games.
poor Gary cattle less Stead - he has 3 of the 6 test batsmen averaging 50+, a keeper averaging 45 and an opener averaging 40+ we are like 3x worse than when Hesson was coach, yet NZ's top order have crazy good averages.
We have a top order averaging 55, 42, 54, 40, 58, 45, Mike Hesson would've given his right arm for a batting unit of that strength...
They are hardly living up to their averages are they,Pathetic batting.
That was a batting clown show I see better batting here in 2nd grade club.Adding to that Hesson actually won nothing no titles as Black Cap Coach and he had Williamson and Taylor 2 of the best batsmen we have ever produced.
At least Stead can retire as the only Black Caps Coach to win a World Title.
And if you believe people he did it with Nicholls who is shit and Latham who cant score runs against the big teams. -
@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:
Larsen is a selector as well. One who wouldn't pick Boult FFS.
Even though it severely weakened the team I had no problem not picking Boult. He made his choice to be a free agent and chase the money, so this is a consequence of that decision. If he was prepared to play free I'd select him.
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v England:
If he was prepared to play free I'd select him.
he's just not contracted. Would command a standard match fee - adn that's it!
I'm happy in principle not picking him in most conditions, but when yuo lose your two next best bowlers, it's cutting off your nose tos pite your face.
