Black Caps v England
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Attitude in the way we play negative and tentative need to be bolder and positive.
The difference between the two teams is a reflection of the personality of the respective coaches. Stead just comes across as conservative and boring.
That will have a lot to do with it.
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
Attitude in the way we play negative and tentative need to be bolder and positive.
The difference between the two teams is a reflection of the personality of the respective coaches. Stead just comes across as conservative and boring.
It’s amazing the turnaround that has occurred in the England set up. For sure, Baz has generated a seismic shift in attitude in the England set up, but the really significant change was in the willingness to appoint a maverick like McCullum in the first place. We’ve nearly always favoured time-servers as coaches who bring that mantra in to selection and tactics.
Just the other day I was watching a recording of a Steve Waugh interview and his critique on England selection was as illuminating as it was unsurprising (can it be both?). Looking at the attack he said we rarely picked the likes of Devon Malcolm who had express pace and a poor radar, in favour of journeymen who could be guaranteed to put the ball “on the spot”. Trouble was, everyone knew where “the spot” was. His view on Malcolm was, “yeah he was erratic and at his pace, that scared the shit out of us”.
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Thank god this is nearly over. Tough day at the office. We had our chances, but poor bowling let them off the hook.
For the second test, we need better bowlers. Henry definitely, I'd pick Boult as well but that won't happen. KJ needs to be looked after somehow, and stress fractures fixed.
Batting, who knows. Will Young I presume gets a crack - but it's going to be easier with just daylight to deal with. Day/night tests are great in theory, but I don't love them right now; too one sided at night.Well played England. You took your chances and made us look silly.
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@ARHS said in Black Caps v England:
Broad was very impressive. Amazing crowd for first two sessions and very entertaining by England.
Thought both Tickner and Kuggeleijn bowled OK. But Wagner ran up quickest hundred I have ever seen from a test bowler.
Good luck to Daryl and Bracewell tomorrow. I won't bother heading back though.Whoever sets the ticket prices on this one may have slightly missed a trick. I was waiting to hear if it was reduced adult prices at 5 wickets down like the evening-only rate.
It isn't (other than the preplanned 'one kid free per adult ticket'), so we've done the wait-to-see-if-early-wickets-fall thing, and....
Might not have done much for net ticket revenue in the end, but perhaps more punters for the food and beer, and to show up on screen.
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So for the Basin, maybe...
- Conway
- Latham
- Young
- Williamson
- Mitchell
- Blundell
- M. Bracewell/Sodhi
- D. Bracewell
- Henry
- Southee
- Wagner
Could be convinced either way on the spinners. Ish is the better spinner, M. Bracewell in theory stronger with the bat. Not that the Basin is renowned for much spin. Could also go with different orders for that top four.
I can't remember seeing Glen Phillips bowl in recent years, so am assuming the 'four pace bowlers plus a (more) part time spinner' option is out.
As for M. Bracewell, if he had the same bowling figures as Wagner in this test, the thread would be in full meltdown...
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@Donsteppa Phillips instead of Sodhi/M Bracewell with Phillips/Mitchell enough for a 5th bowler imo.
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa Phillips instead of Sodhi/M Bracewell with Phillips/Mitchell enough for a 5th bowler imo.
I'd be tempted with that. Mitchell isn't going to set the world on fire, but I think he's also underused as a 5th/6th bowling option.
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
no use slamming Stead if he has not got the cattle to pick from, he still as coach has to try and win games.
poor Gary cattle less Stead - he has 3 of the 6 test batsmen averaging 50+, a keeper averaging 45 and an opener averaging 40+ we are at least 3x worse than when Hesson was coach, despite NZ's batting unit being currently of unprecedented caliber...
We have a top order averaging 55, 42, 54, 40, 58, 45, Mike Hesson would've given his right arm for a batting unit of that strength.
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@kiwi_expat said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
no use slamming Stead if he has not got the cattle to pick from, he still as coach has to try and win games.
poor Gary cattle less Stead - he has 3 of the 6 test batsmen averaging 50+, a keeper averaging 45 and an opener averaging 40+ we are like 3x worse than when Hesson was coach, yet NZ's top order have crazy good averages.
We have a top order averaging 55, 42, 54, 40, 58, 45, Mike Hesson would've given his right arm for a batting unit of that strength...
They are hardly living up to their averages are they,Pathetic batting.
That was a batting clown show I see better batting here in 2nd grade club.Adding to that Hesson actually won nothing no titles as Black Cap Coach and he had Williamson and Taylor 2 of the best batsmen we have ever produced.
At least Stead can retire as the only Black Caps Coach to win a World Title.
And if you believe people he did it with Nicholls who is shit and Latham who cant score runs against the big teams. -
@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:
Larsen is a selector as well. One who wouldn't pick Boult FFS.
Even though it severely weakened the team I had no problem not picking Boult. He made his choice to be a free agent and chase the money, so this is a consequence of that decision. If he was prepared to play free I'd select him.
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v England:
If he was prepared to play free I'd select him.
he's just not contracted. Would command a standard match fee - adn that's it!
I'm happy in principle not picking him in most conditions, but when yuo lose your two next best bowlers, it's cutting off your nose tos pite your face.
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see, and here's the thing. Our opportunity was to roll them for 300 not 400. Do that, and the new ball comes out during daylight, our batters establish by the night session and the ball you're facing isn't doing as much. Our inability to bowl them out cost us time, runs and ultimately the test.
Our chance to win this game were signiicantly higher chasing 300 with a decent start during the day. It's really annoying.
I don't like day/night test cricket for many reasons, and the latest test hasn't really changed my opinion.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v England:
If he was prepared to play free I'd select him.
he's just not contracted. Would command a standard match fee - adn that's it!
I'm happy in principle not picking him in most conditions, but when yuo lose your two next best bowlers, it's cutting off your nose tos pite your face.
No, he'd have needed permission from his boss. And I reckon it would gave been a "no". He's not a freelancer. Hes in a 1 month gap between commitments for them.
The language Stead used made it seem they were in control ,by not asking him. But I'm 90% of the opinion it would have been turned down anyway.
I reckon he'll play the world cup, though. No clashes with his Indian franchise commitments, and his bosses would be up for it. Would help their brand in their main market.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v England:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v England:
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v England:
If he was prepared to play free I'd select him.
he's just not contracted. Would command a standard match fee - adn that's it!
I'm happy in principle not picking him in most conditions, but when yuo lose your two next best bowlers, it's cutting off your nose tos pite your face.
No, he'd have needed permission from his boss. And I reckon it would gave been a "no". He's not a freelancer. Hes in a 1 month gap between commitments for them.
The language Stead used made it seem they were in control ,by not asking him. But I'm 90% of the opinion it would have been turned down anyway.
I reckon he'll play the world cup, though. No clashes with his Indian franchise commitments, and his bosses would be up for it. Would help their brand in their main market.
Boult will 100% play the WC I think that is a done deal.I hear from Shaun the BC bowling coach.
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@Rapido I haven't read your theory anywhere except here. Ian Anderson raises a variety of possibilities, but the best info we have is Stead saying they haven't asked.
I'm of the view that it's not about Trent, it's about the fans - well, frankly, ME.
If anyone could match Broad under lights it would have been Trent. And, frankly, after the Justin Vaughan debacle that deprived me of a significant portion of Shane Bond, this would be but a small repayment of the debt they owe me!!!
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@kiwi_expat said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
no use slamming Stead if he has not got the cattle to pick from, he still as coach has to try and win games.
poor Gary cattle less Stead - he has 3 of the 6 test batsmen averaging 50+, a keeper averaging 45 and an opener averaging 40+ we are at least 3x worse than when Hesson was coach, despite NZ's batting unit being currently of unprecedented caliber...
We have a top order averaging 55, 42, 54, 40, 58, 45, Mike Hesson would've given his right arm for a batting unit of that strength.
I think it's probably time to move on from Stead but I am not sure getting rid of him will solve too many problems. Probably half that team is a big step down on what we had a few years ago and as far as I have seen there are no players screaming out that they are going to be any better. Any player changes is just shuffling the deck chairs.
